Why is it that

everydayDMBfan_18 · Unread post by **everydayDMBfan_18** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 7:31 pm

it seems that not many guitars have east indian rosewood used for the fretboard? Its a really nice wood.

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 8:41 pm

I believe the are mostly used on Flemenco guitars, am I wrong?

Pickles · Unread post by **Pickles** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:13 pm

rosewood = cheaper guitars

ebony is used on better guitars because it is not only one of the strongest woods available, but also because of its incredibly smooth feeling and better sound.

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:24 pm

unless it is cheap and marbel-y

everydayDMBfan_18 · Unread post by **everydayDMBfan_18** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:26 pm

Eh, I think rosewood sounds good.

I'm curious though....How would a three piece back on a guitar made of EIR on the left and right and koa in the middle or would it sound no different?

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:30 pm

probably not too much a difference...thats like adding a maple strip...more for look than tone...do ou concure Mr. Shane?

grock · Unread post by **grock** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:33 pm

shane wrote:
firedancer86 wrote:probably not too much a difference...thats like adding a maple strip...more for look than tone...do ou concure Mr. Shane?
i believe my esteemed colleague is correct.

depending on the size of the koa piece, the tone will not change as much as you would expect. however, it might add a tad bit more of warmth and complexity to the tone.

not enough to make it worth it...

Pickles · Unread post by **Pickles** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:07 pm

firedancer86 wrote:probably not too much a difference...thats like adding a maple strip...more for look than tone...do ou concure Mr. Shane?

i believe my esteemed colleague is correct.

depending on the size of the koa piece, the tone will not change as much as you would expect. however, it might add a tad bit more of warmth and complexity to the tone.

everydayDMBfan_18 · Unread post by **everydayDMBfan_18** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 1:40 am

Damn...I'm trying to figure out what type of wood on a back...I was thinking that maybe it would sound a little different and good....bah

grock · Unread post by **grock** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 3:08 am

everydayDMBfan_18 wrote:Damn...I'm trying to figure out what type of wood on a back...I was thinking that maybe it would sound a little different and good....bah

i just don't think you'd notice the difference. like a different top wood has a huge factor on the sound. so big that it drowns out anything that the back might add. really the back just works to project the vibrating air created by the top. so it really is only used to accentuate the top. it's like icing on the cake. it's all sweet and fluffy and generally tastes the same.

Pickles · Unread post by **Pickles** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:56 pm

Lemme show you a few of my custom models that i dream of and what they would be best suited for:

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Revoiced Dread
Master Grade Cocobolo B/S
Sitka Top
Flamed Koa Binding
Florentine Cutaway
ES
Abalone Purfling
Abalone/Cocobolo/Abalone Rosette
Coco Headstock Overlay
Cindy Inlay
Clear Pickguard

Revoiced Jumbo 12 String
Master Grade Koa Top/Back/Sides
Normal K series binding/Purfling
Ebony Headstock Overlay
Florentine Cutaway
ES
Tree of Life Inlay
Clear Pickguard

Grand Auditorium 12 String
Master Grade Brazillian Rosewood Back/Sides
Sitka Top
Flamed Maple Binding
Ebony Headstock Overlay
Blank Fretboard
Brazillian/Abalone/Brazillian Rosette
ES
Clear Pickguard

Fingerpicking:

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Grand Concert
AAA 3 Piece Quilted Maple B/S
Englemann Top
Ebony Binding
Venetian Cutaway
ES
Ebony Headstock Overlay
Gothic Vine Inlay
Clear Pickguard
Blueburst stain

Grand Concert
Indian Rosewood Back/Sides
Flamed Redwood Top
Flamed Maple Binding

Great for Both:

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Grand Auditorium
Master Grade Claro Walnut Top/Back/Sides

as you can see, i have certain topwoods for different styles, as some accell (sp?) in specific areas. the body style will have a huge impact. like someone (sorry dont feel like looking) said, the main choice of wood is the topwood HOWEVER the back/sides to play a large role in determining the sound.

maple is a very transparent wood so youre just going to hear the brightness.

coco is dark and heavy so youll get a lot of bass.

theoretically the darker the wood, the more bass it will produce.

also, the length between each grain in the wood plays a role in the tone.

any other questions, reply.

everydayDMBfan_18 · Unread post by **everydayDMBfan_18** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:15 pm

Those would be nice guitars

So coco over EIR?

Pickles · Unread post by **Pickles** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:06 pm

everydayDMBfan_18 wrote:So coco over EIR?

ohhhhhhh yeah..... coco surpasses EIR in both looks (amazing red tints and figuring) and sound. coco has been comparable to brazillian rosewood.

grock · Unread post by **grock** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:10 am

shane wrote:the main choice of wood is the topwood HOWEVER the back/sides to play a large role in determining the sound.

maple is a very transparent wood so youre just going to hear the brightness.

coco is dark and heavy so youll get a lot of bass.

theoretically the darker the wood, the more bass it will produce.

also, the length between each grain in the wood plays a role in the tone.

any other questions, reply.

while this is true to an extent, it all varies from one peice of wood to another. even guitars made to the exact same woods will sound different. the best way would be to play the guitar to make sure it sunds like what you are prediciting from the woods cuz sometimes the results are not as great as you would hope.

koa and mahongany and other hardwoods, tend to cut off both highs and lows and leave you with a really mellow midrange.

i'm going to go back on my statement before and say that the back does have some play on the tone. sides don't but the back has say 20% of the tone and the top has 80. so maybe a stripe of koa on the back will do something but still not sure a single strip will do much.

http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musicia ... oods1.html

everydayDMBfan_18 · Unread post by **everydayDMBfan_18** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:12 am

I was going to be putting EIR on the two sides and koa in the middle on a 3 piece back like that on a d-35, but if I do that now I would probably go coco

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