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Unread post by fatjack » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:33 pm

KahnTheRevelator wrote:Josh, what tab did you use for Phunkdafied?
i didnt use one
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Unread post by Kahn » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:53 pm

fatjack wrote:
KahnTheRevelator wrote:Josh, what tab did you use for Phunkdafied?
i didnt use one
did you tab it out yourself by any chance? or did you use sheetmusic? How did you learn it is what I'm asking....

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Unread post by fatjack » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:58 pm

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KahnTheRevelator wrote:Josh, what tab did you use for Phunkdafied?
i didnt use one
did you tab it out yourself by any chance? or did you use sheetmusic? How did you learn it is what I'm asking....
listening and looking at the video
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Unread post by Kahn » Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:45 pm

fatjack wrote:
KahnTheRevelator wrote:
fatjack wrote:
KahnTheRevelator wrote:Josh, what tab did you use for Phunkdafied?
i didnt use one
did you tab it out yourself by any chance? or did you use sheetmusic? How did you learn it is what I'm asking....
listening and looking at the video
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Unread post by aleceiffel » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:28 am

hey FJ what do you know about transcribing maqamat to western notation and to western instruments. for instance the saba and sikah maqamat have things like... quarter flats and the like. is it even possible on a fretted instrument? and if so, what's the nearest translation? or would i have to just suck it up and use things like the hispano-arabian scale?
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Unread post by aleceiffel » Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:09 pm

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Unread post by i like tictacs » Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:54 pm

you can bend a note. or just play it on a fretless instrument
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Unread post by fatjack » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:04 pm

aleceiffel wrote:hey FJ what do you know about transcribing maqamat to western notation and to western instruments. for instance the saba and sikah maqamat have things like... quarter flats and the like. is it even possible on a fretted instrument? and if so, what's the nearest translation? or would i have to just suck it up and use things like the hispano-arabian scale?
i dont know how to read eastern music, but i doubt it would be very convenient to transcribe eastern music the western notation.

and like tictacs said, you have to bend to get quarter tones on a fretted instrument
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Unread post by Dutch » Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:57 am

or use a slide.
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Unread post by aleceiffel » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:40 pm

hmm, okay. maybe i'll have to get an oud. or better yet, some musical talent.
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Unread post by MattJ » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:15 pm

Got a question.

Why notate things in minor keys rather than leaving them in the major? In terms of why isn't say J.S.B's Partita 3 in Aminor not just Partita 3 in Cmaj, if its the same key sig/notes.

Is it just a style choice or convention or are their really different notes in there (harmonic vs natural minor or some other concept I'm also fuzzy on)? Or is it just that you're "centered" around a different tone with the same notes?

This has always kind of confused me...

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Unread post by DMBFan63 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:26 pm

MattJ wrote:Got a question.

Why notate things in minor keys rather than leaving them in the major? In terms of why isn't say J.S.B's Partita 3 in Aminor not just Partita 3 in Cmaj, if its the same key sig/notes.

Is it just a style choice or convention or are their really different notes in there (harmonic vs natural minor or some other concept I'm also fuzzy on)? Or is it just that you're "centered" around a different tone with the same notes?

This has always kind of confused me...
Well really, in Am, the chord progression isn't the same exact thing as it would be in Cmaj. Like a I IV V in Cmaj isn't the same in Am. I'm not sure if that's why, just taking a crack at it.
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Unread post by fatjack » Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:23 pm

MattJ wrote:Got a question.

Why notate things in minor keys rather than leaving them in the major? In terms of why isn't say J.S.B's Partita 3 in Aminor not just Partita 3 in Cmaj, if its the same key sig/notes.

Is it just a style choice or convention or are their really different notes in there (harmonic vs natural minor or some other concept I'm also fuzzy on)? Or is it just that you're "centered" around a different tone with the same notes?

This has always kind of confused me...
for the most part. the reason songs are in major and minor are for very specific reasons, not just because the composer called it whatever the fuck he wanted to.

the main difference is the fact that A is the tonic, not C. this means that all the notes are "centered" (as you put it) around A; that is to say that all the notes resolve to A.

also you mentioned harmonic minor. harmonic and melodic minor are forms of the minor scale and are imbedded within the concept of minor. a song isn't in natural minor or harmonic minor, its just in minor.

also because of these different scale forms, minor has more notes than major. for instance C major has 7 tones: C D E F G A B, while A minor has 9 tones A B C D E F F# G G#. this is because minor ascends with certain tones and descends with other tones, while major ascends and descends with the same notes
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Unread post by MattJ » Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:20 pm

fatjack wrote:

also because of these different scale forms, minor has more notes than major. for instance C major has 7 tones: C D E F G A B, while A minor has 9 tones A B C D E F F# G G#. this is because minor ascends with certain tones and descends with other tones, while major ascends and descends with the same notes
We're talking scales here right, not keys? I was under the impression that they aren't necessarily interchangeable.

So on the way up the minor scale the intervals are WHWWWWH and down is WWHWWHW (what I would have guessed a minor scale's intervals to be both ways). Where does this variation come from? Is there a "mathematical" reason for that structure, for lack of a better word.

That's a minor third between the 6th and the tonic on the way up, but just using the relative majors notes it 'should' be a major 3rd... Crap I'm just spinning my wheels now.

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