so lets do the theory thing

gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:53 am

6StringSamurai wrote:reffering to me again?

good call...also, why do you want to play like tim? why not develop your own style?

MattyTrane · Unread post by **MattyTrane** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:56 am

it was an example, glad to see you dont jump to conclusions or anything.
Like my kindgarten teacher always said " if you dont have anything nice to say, keep you mouth closed *bitch*." she didnt say that last part, but i like it, especially in this situation. :evil:

j/k gcom

at least on the bitch comment.

gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:58 am

6StringSamurai wrote:ok, ive been listening to a pretty cool acoustic version of all along the watctower, in which tim pull a cool solo how do i figure out what hes playing without using a tab. Should i just solo in the key of the chords of the song? like A G F G or based of scales or what?

hmm...

MattyTrane · Unread post by **MattyTrane** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:06 am

Dude if your not even trying to help, just stop wasting my (and your time) and let the other people who know about theory do so. I dont mean to get off on a rant here (Dennis MIller rocks) but i thought this place was about helping each other out to grow as guitarists (and as people i guess) and i dont see how you're doing either of these with your condescending and outright stupid comments please dont respond to this unless it has to do with the topic, im sorry i got off it. -peace

gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:58 am

6StringSamurai wrote:Dude if your not even trying to help, just stop wasting my (and your time) and let the other people who know about theory do so. I dont mean to get off on a rant here (Dennis MIller rocks) but i thought this place was about helping each other out to grow as guitarists (and as people i guess) and i dont see how you're doing either of these with your condescending and outright stupid comments please dont respond to this unless it has to do with the topic, im sorry i got off it. -peace

no, see, I told you what you needed to know, you can't just learn some magic theory in a minute to be able to play lead, that's not the way the world works, you don't want to accept it thinking there's an easier way. I could tell you the note names to the scale of a given song, but you wouldn't know what to do with them...if you'd read the first page maybe you'd understand it better. it's not the best stuff but between ken, hans and I we put together a really good starting point to go on that could answer your questions, but you have to want to learn it...no one wants to learn theory because it isn't fun. I'll be the first to admit that my theory classes aren't exactly the most fun in the world, but I'm realizing now that they're really helping me in my writing and what I do with songs and understanding what I'm doing which allows me to do more than I ever thought possible before I understood a bit of theory. but you can't just learn it with a post. it takes work, and just by the fact that you were asking just goes to show that you really didn't try to take in anything from what was said by the three of us theory dorks because we said enough there to get you going basically. so really, it comes down to a choice: do the work and learn the theory so you can control the guitar and music in general, or expect things to be easy and never really work and always allow the guitar to have the upper hand on you. you may say I'm unreasonable but that's what it comes down to, so quit acting like such a 16 year old and do something to help yourself.

MattyTrane · Unread post by **MattyTrane** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:33 am

i asked questions going off what gravedigger said about being able to answer specific questions better than just teaching, so my question was directed towards him and not you.

gravedigger · Unread post by **gravedigger** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 10:32 am

6StringSamurai wrote:i asked questions going off what gravedigger said about being able to answer specific questions better than just teaching, so my question was directed towards him and not you.

yeah, I kinda figured the question was reacting to that. but Elliot is right about how it takes practice to be able to apply the theory that you learn to the guitar. having the notes in your head and knowing where they are on the fretboard are too different things. Once you combine the two, however, the possibilities are endless. I don't know what every note is on the guitar by heart. I know the E strings notes and some of the other ones but, I guess it comes down to patterns that you learn and it's all repetetion sort of like learning chords. I'm rambling here so I hope I'm making sense. so, what timmy does, is out of my jurisdiction so to speak, but I don't mind talking about chords and shit like that. (I'm a rhythm player!!) I love chords! :wink:

gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:17 am

gravedigger wrote:
6StringSamurai wrote:i asked questions going off what gravedigger said about being able to answer specific questions better than just teaching, so my question was directed towards him and not you.
yeah, I kinda figured the question was reacting to that. but Elliot is right about how it takes practice to be able to apply the theory that you learn to the guitar. having the notes in your head and knowing where they are on the fretboard are too different things. Once you combine the two, however, the possibilities are endless. I don't know what every note is on the guitar by heart. I know the E strings notes and some of the other ones but, I guess it comes down to patterns that you learn and it's all repetetion sort of like learning chords. I'm rambling here so I hope I'm making sense. so, what timmy does, is out of my jurisdiction so to speak, but I don't mind talking about chords and shit like that. (I'm a rhythm player!!) I love chords!

also knowing how the notes relate to a given chord and where they fit in the scale, it's such a science that can't just be absorbed in a brief period of time...I can't say it enough...I bet more people drop from theory classes than any other class...

MattyTrane · Unread post by **MattyTrane** » Tue Dec 10, 2002 6:47 pm

i didnt say i could learn it really fast, just asked a specific question like as asked.

montiac · Unread post by **montiac** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:22 pm

6StringSamurai wrote:ok bad example, how would you devise a solo based on the song and its chords and all that?

Ok, here's what I've gotten from it: You must figure out the key that the song is in and use that scale. You don't change scales every time the chord changes. I suppose you could, but that could get confusing(at least for me it would) and I don't know how good that would sound

. Now, a good thing to remember is that when you're listening to music, your ear will always want to return to a solid and stable place. This can either be the tonic, or root, of the song you're listening to or the tonic of the underlying chord. The return to that note is called a resolution. You should "resolve" your solo to the chord that's being played, and do it on beat, meaning that when you're playing a solo and a chord changes, make sure you hit that note.

Now, I'm not music theory God like gcom or some of the other people here, but I'm learning it. I'm also not a teacher so I hope that you can understand that mumbo-jumbo. I know what it means in my head, but it may not have come out right on paper. Hopefully I helped more than confused.

MattyTrane · Unread post by **MattyTrane** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:42 pm

yea that helps a bit thanks.

montiac · Unread post by **montiac** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:48 pm

i posted this in another one of my posts, but i'm gonna put it in here as well:

How do you build a pentatonic scale from the root note of the key? I know how to build the major scale(w-w-h-w-w-w-h), but is there some sort of formula to build a pentatonic scale as well? Lemme know, thanks a bunch.

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