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Unread post by GuitarGuy305 » Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:59 am

Listening to that, I thought they were going to ask him what tribal sovereignty means...

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Unread post by proudestmonkey41 » Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:04 am

according to the book refer madness, which im sure is not biased at all :shock: it has something to do with sleepy mexicans not doing work, and the us government not liking it / not wanting them to get money etc. so they made it illegal wayy before any testing was done, and it has remained that way ever since

for me personally i find it hard to believe that statistically alchol and tobacco kill wayyy more people on a yearly basis, yet they are both legal.

"alcohol and tobacco kill, all marijuana does is leave you tired and hungry, and then you wake up well rested and feeling great" - some unknown comedian
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Unread post by Ando » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:32 am

fedelm wrote:
bbatsell wrote:
fedelm wrote:
HumbleMonkey wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
pacific34 wrote:
Ando wrote:that's what drugs & weed will do to you.
Aren't they one in the same? I think that is how he deals with the nerves, he stumbles over his words. Plus, I've done some personal research, and weed calms you, it doesn't make you jittery.
But it does kill brain cells
MYTH: MARIJUANA KILLS BRAIN CELLS. Used over time, marijuana permanently alters brain structure and function, causing memory loss, cognitive impairment, personality deterioration, and reduced productivity.

FACT: None of the medical tests currently used to detect brain damage in humans have found harm from marijuana, even from long term high-dose use. An early study reported brain damage in rhesus monkeys after six months exposure to high concentrations of marijuana smoke. In a recent, more carefully conducted study, researchers found no evidence of brain abnormality in monkeys that were forced to inhale the equivalent of four to five marijuana cigarettes every day for a year. The claim that marijuana kills brain cells is based on a speculative report dating back a quarter of a century that has never been supported by any scientific study.
I don't believe that...well, i'm kind of reluctant to do so.

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why? it's the truth.
Is it??? Then why has marijuana been ilegal for so long and in so many countries?

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The general thinking of most people- and their basing their assumptions of "popular knowledge" without doing any kind of critical thinking or research themselves.

Here, I think it's just a lasting effect from the early 20th century that's kind of slowly fading out
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Unread post by pacific34 » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:33 am

So what have we learned today.....ditch the boos/tobacco, pick yourself up some green and chill the fuck out. :D

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Unread post by DMB_DO » Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:23 pm

Marijuana also increases you risk of lung cancer, even more so than cigarettes for a few reasons.
1) No filters on joints, so small particulate matter gets deep into the smallest airways of the lungs
2) Marijuana has 4 times the amount of tar as tobacco
3) Marijuana has 50% more carcinogens than tobacco
The risk has not been quantified by studies yet b/c most people smoke when they are younger and stop as they age,so it is difficult to assess the long term effects of smoking marijuana. Studies have shown that histologic and molecular changes in the bronchial epithelium of marijuana smokers are similar to the metaplastic premalignant alterations seen among tobacco smokers . This information is based off of current medical research.

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Unread post by pacific34 » Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:34 pm

DMB_DO wrote:Marijuana also increases you risk of lung cancer, even more so than cigarettes for a few reasons.
1) No filters on joints, so small particulate matter gets deep into the smallest airways of the lungs
2) Marijuana has 4 times the amount of tar as tobacco
3) Marijuana has 50% more carcinogens than tobacco
The risk has not been quantified by studies yet b/c most people smoke when they are younger and stop as they age,so it is difficult to assess the long term effects of smoking marijuana. Studies have shown that histologic and molecular changes in the bronchial epithelium of marijuana smokers are similar to the metaplastic premalignant alterations seen among tobacco smokers . This information is based off of current medical research.
I hate to turn this board into a scientific debate, but UCLA actually conducted a study over a 30 year period, and found that there is no scientific evidence that marijuana use, even in heavy doses, causes cancer. That is with subjects exposed to it for 30 years, with little, moderate, and heavy use. To say cigerettes are less harmful is being ignorant.

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Unread post by pacific34 » Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:41 pm

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/122/114805.htm

Copy and paste to learn more.........

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Unread post by DMB_DO » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:24 pm

pacific34 wrote:
DMB_DO wrote:Marijuana also increases you risk of lung cancer, even more so than cigarettes for a few reasons.
1) No filters on joints, so small particulate matter gets deep into the smallest airways of the lungs
2) Marijuana has 4 times the amount of tar as tobacco
3) Marijuana has 50% more carcinogens than tobacco
The risk has not been quantified by studies yet b/c most people smoke when they are younger and stop as they age,so it is difficult to assess the long term effects of smoking marijuana. Studies have shown that histologic and molecular changes in the bronchial epithelium of marijuana smokers are similar to the metaplastic premalignant alterations seen among tobacco smokers . This information is based off of current medical research.
I hate to turn this board into a scientific debate, but UCLA actually conducted a study over a 30 year period, and found that there is no scientific evidence that marijuana use, even in heavy doses, causes cancer. That is with subjects exposed to it for 30 years, with little, moderate, and heavy use. To say cigerettes are less harmful is being ignorant.
I'm not being ignorant at all. I got my information off up to date which is a medical database that compiles information from hundreds of studies. It is very difficult to trust the results of one study by itself without seeing statistical values, how subjects were selected, what the exclusion criteria were etc. I'm not discounting the validity of your article, I'm just saying, would you necessarily believe that the sky is red if one single study said so? You would be more inclined to believe the sky is red if 600 studies said so than if only one did. I use up to date on a daily basis to provide the most complete and evidence based care to my patients. People say that pot is not harmful in attempts to bolster its candidacy for legalization. While pot does have therapeutic effects in certain disease processes, overall it is not a healthy habit. Just ask a patient who has had a long term pot habit and has COPD and has to be on oxygen until he/she dies. People mostly think about cancer when it comes to smoking weather it is pot or tobacco. There are many pulmonary diseases besides cancer that can result from smoking, but since pot has more tar, no filter, and more carcinogens than tobacco it has a better chance of causing disease processes.

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Unread post by pacific34 » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:50 pm

I understand your point, smoke is harmful to your lungs. I agree with you there 100%. My point was that there is no evidence that marijuana use leads to cancer. I'm not basing it on one study, I could post more, but that would become redundent. I don't claim to know everything about the subject, though I have done some research, but when I see a claim that marijuana increases your chance of cancer, more so than cigerettes, it's just not true.

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