Tripping Billies Lyric From Bible

[Hydro120]

anybody else think history and the bible are two entirely different things?

Whats interesting is how people will deny historical facts simply because they have a religious connection. For instance, "Was Jesus real?" Of course. But people will still deny it, because it has to do with religion. No one wants to believe anything easily, but they will run as fast as they can to something that "prooves religion/God/whatever" wrong, without finding out first whether the source is reliable, or whether the facts hold up.

Edit: That has inspired me to write some lyrics. Thanx guyz, lolz, u r00l!!!

[mattinbeloit]

anybody else think history and the bible are two entirely different things?

Whats interesting is how people will deny historical facts simply because they have a religious connection. For instance, "Was Jesus real?" Of course. But people will still deny it, because it has to do with religion. No one wants to believe anything easily, but they will run as fast as they can to something that "prooves religion/God/whatever" wrong, without finding out first whether the source is reliable, or whether the facts hold up.

Edit: That has inspired me to write some lyrics. Thanx guyz, lolz, u r00l!!!

The bible has served as a valuable historical source in alot of cases, but they are still 2 differnt things is the point.

[dmfollower]

anybody else think history and the bible are two entirely different things?

Whats interesting is how people will deny historical facts simply because they have a religious connection. For instance, "Was Jesus real?" Of course. But people will still deny it, because it has to do with religion. No one wants to believe anything easily, but they will run as fast as they can to something that "prooves religion/God/whatever" wrong, without finding out first whether the source is reliable, or whether the facts hold up.

Edit: That has inspired me to write some lyrics. Thanx guyz, lolz, u r00l!!!

For me, the thing with religion and god and devine sovereinty is the the blind faith. Without it the other two would be discarded as theory or idea. Blind faith asks a person to discard the hype and "so so" fact and just believe. I did that for the first 18 yrs. of my life.
Now,(its been studied for hundreds and probably thousands of years) people are starting to get interested in the facts on religion and the devinity of this "god" character. Translations are all we have and they are starting to get a much higher play then they were in the past. Faith is something you will yourself to believe and fact is something to believe in.
I may have this reply completely backwards but this god character is starting to lose against fact in this day and age. Which is exactly what has been written(biblically) so i guess all the religious(christian + more) folk are rejoicing for the fufillment of proficy.
All i can say about religion and god is that if there is a god, i'd only like to sit down and have a nice cup of joe and a bowl with him when i die and let him set some things strait face to face.

What the hell was the topic of this thread?

[guitardmb]

anybody else think history and the bible are two entirely different things?

The fact is that most of the bible, especially the new testamet, is considered by most historians as an accurate account of the times. Most towns and cities and other things mentioned in the bible that they once thought did not exist they have found. History and science constantly prove the bible, and there hasnt been much to disprove it. Another thing is those books in the new testament were written less than a century after the event they describe, so they are even described by famous agnostic and athiest historians as mostly factual.

As for Dave, he has said numerous times that he believes in God but disagrees with christianity.

[taylordb]

How about in Dancing Nancies....."I am who I am...." .... That was God's reply to Moses when Moses asked God who he was.

[guitardmb]

How about in Dancing Nancies....."I am who I am...." .... That was God's reply to Moses when Moses asked God who he was.

That could have been just Dave writing stuff. He didnt necessarily(sp?) get that from the bible.

[proudestmonkey41]

well my personal opinion (not that any of you care) is that god was created as a way to explain the unknown. greeks created zeus to explain lightning, but we now know that there isn't some bearded dude in the sky throwin lightning bolts at us. the more science evolves the less need people are having for god. i really like daves line from what you are (especially live when he yells it) "But you pray down on your knees motherf***ers, you dont tell god what you want".. sort of explaining that for the most part alot of people only pray when they need stuff.


now that that rant is done, id just like to add i have a D&T show where dave talks for a bit about god. its kinda humourous when i find it i'll post it.

EDIT: i found it, its not that good. he basically says "if i ever meet god, not saying there is, not saying there isnt, but if i ever meet it, cause you cant say him and you cant say her, because i doubt it'd be equiped with that, but if i was with it and we were ever to go back to the drawing board, id tell it to do somethin with the carpaltunnels, everything else is perfect but fix that" .. more or less

[i like tictacs]

How about in Dancing Nancies....."I am who I am...." .... That was God's reply to Moses when Moses asked God who he was.

That could have been just Dave writing stuff. He didnt necessarily(sp?) get that from the bible.

It does say he is requesting some enlightenment after that, so it could be.

[Hydro120]

well my personal opinion (not that any of you care) is that god was created as a way to explain the unknown. greeks created zeus to explain lightning, but we now know that there isn't some bearded dude in the sky throwin lightning bolts at us. the more science evolves the less need people are having for god. i really like daves line from what you are (especially live when he yells it) "But you pray down on your knees motherf***ers, you dont tell god what you want".. sort of explaining that for the most part alot of people only pray when they need stuff.

That's a good point, but you also have to take into consideration the fact that Christianity has pretty much gone unaltered since it's birth. Roman and Greek Gods and Godesses are long since gone.

It basically comes down to one thing: You can't deny that Jesus was real. And that he died. The only thing you have to choose to believe is "Did He die for the salvation of all of mans' sins, and did God resurrect Him on the third day?"

I'd also like to point out that many religions claiming to be Christianity have severely skewed from the path for the sake of their own glory. Example, Catholicism. They make their own human traditions, claiming its part of the religion, and people basically worship the Pope. They teach people to pray to people other than Jesus, which is a complete contradiction of the Bible. Also, a lot of religions/people think that "being a good person" will ensure their acceptance to heaven. There is only one way. And it's not by just being a good person. I guess that's what makes Christianity so hard to accept. But Jesus himself did say that the road would be narrow and few would enter.

[c_tietze]

Ecclesiastes

[Jenns4Ever9501]

well my personal opinion (not that any of you care) is that god was created as a way to explain the unknown. greeks created zeus to explain lightning, but we now know that there isn't some bearded dude in the sky throwin lightning bolts at us. the more science evolves the less need people are having for god. i really like daves line from what you are (especially live when he yells it) "But you pray down on your knees motherf***ers, you dont tell god what you want".. sort of explaining that for the most part alot of people only pray when they need stuff.

That's a good point, but you also have to take into consideration the fact that Christianity has pretty much gone unaltered since it's birth. Roman and Greek Gods and Godesses are long since gone.

It basically comes down to one thing: You can't deny that Jesus was real. And that he died. The only thing you have to choose to believe is "Did He die for the salvation of all of mans' sins, and did God resurrect Him on the third day?"

I'd also like to point out that many religions claiming to be Christianity have severely skewed from the path for the sake of their own glory. Example, Catholicism. They make their own human traditions, claiming its part of the religion, and people basically worship the Pope. They teach people to pray to people other than Jesus, which is a complete contradiction of the Bible. Also, a lot of religions/people think that "being a good person" will ensure their acceptance to heaven. There is only one way. And it's not by just being a good person. I guess that's what makes Christianity so hard to accept. But Jesus himself did say that the road would be narrow and few would enter.

That is incorrect. It's a common misconception among non-Catholics. Ever ask a friend to pray for you, or if someone is sick, you ask your friends to pray for that person? That's what we do with the saints, and Mary, and everyone else. It's called intercession. We pray to no one but God, we're simply asking for the intercession of those who have already passed on and are now with God. Most non-Catholics don't get that. But it's the same thing as asking a friend to pray for you. That's all it is.







And we don't worship the Pope.

[Thomas]

well my personal opinion (not that any of you care) is that god was created as a way to explain the unknown. greeks created zeus to explain lightning, but we now know that there isn't some bearded dude in the sky throwin lightning bolts at us. the more science evolves the less need people are having for god. i really like daves line from what you are (especially live when he yells it) "But you pray down on your knees motherf***ers, you dont tell god what you want".. sort of explaining that for the most part alot of people only pray when they need stuff.

That's a good point, but you also have to take into consideration the fact that Christianity has pretty much gone unaltered since it's birth. Roman and Greek Gods and Godesses are long since gone.

It basically comes down to one thing: You can't deny that Jesus was real. And that he died. The only thing you have to choose to believe is "Did He die for the salvation of all of mans' sins, and did God resurrect Him on the third day?"

I'd also like to point out that many religions claiming to be Christianity have severely skewed from the path for the sake of their own glory. Example, Catholicism. They make their own human traditions, claiming its part of the religion, and people basically worship the Pope. They teach people to pray to people other than Jesus, which is a complete contradiction of the Bible. Also, a lot of religions/people think that "being a good person" will ensure their acceptance to heaven. There is only one way. And it's not by just being a good person. I guess that's what makes Christianity so hard to accept. But Jesus himself did say that the road would be narrow and few would enter.

That is incorrect. It's a common misconception among non-Catholics. Ever ask a friend to pray for you, or if someone is sick, you ask your friends to pray for that person? That's what we do with the saints, and Mary, and everyone else. It's called intercession. We pray to no one but God, we're simply asking for the intercession of those who have already passed on and are now with God. Most non-Catholics don't get that. But it's the same thing as asking a friend to pray for you. That's all it is.

well he was correct by saying Catholicism adds its own traditions because there is no biblical precedent for this.


BUT i'm not here to have a debate over religion, we're supposed to discuss things generally pertaining to the Dave Matthews Band in this section.

[emorokr12]

well my personal opinion (not that any of you care) is that god was created as a way to explain the unknown. greeks created zeus to explain lightning, but we now know that there isn't some bearded dude in the sky throwin lightning bolts at us. the more science evolves the less need people are having for god. i really like daves line from what you are (especially live when he yells it) "But you pray down on your knees motherf***ers, you dont tell god what you want".. sort of explaining that for the most part alot of people only pray when they need stuff.

That's a good point, but you also have to take into consideration the fact that Christianity has pretty much gone unaltered since it's birth. Roman and Greek Gods and Godesses are long since gone.

It basically comes down to one thing: You can't deny that Jesus was real. And that he died. The only thing you have to choose to believe is "Did He die for the salvation of all of mans' sins, and did God resurrect Him on the third day?"

I'd also like to point out that many religions claiming to be Christianity have severely skewed from the path for the sake of their own glory. Example, Catholicism. They make their own human traditions, claiming its part of the religion, and people basically worship the Pope. They teach people to pray to people other than Jesus, which is a complete contradiction of the Bible. Also, a lot of religions/people think that "being a good person" will ensure their acceptance to heaven. There is only one way. And it's not by just being a good person. I guess that's what makes Christianity so hard to accept. But Jesus himself did say that the road would be narrow and few would enter.

That is incorrect. It's a common misconception among non-Catholics. Ever ask a friend to pray for you, or if someone is sick, you ask your friends to pray for that person? That's what we do with the saints, and Mary, and everyone else. It's called intercession. We pray to no one but God, we're simply asking for the intercession of those who have already passed on and are now with God. Most non-Catholics don't get that. But it's the same thing as asking a friend to pray for you. That's all it is.







And we don't worship the Pope.

And to add to what Jenns4ever said...the tradions of the Catholic church(mass and eucharist) are based on the last supper that Jesus had with the Apostles. Its not made up, its simply there to remind us of what happened on Good Friday more or less. I dont really know of what other tradtions you are thinking about that the Catholic church has made up. Catholics deffinately do not worship the pope. He's just the leader of the faith and is treated with high regard as being extremely devout and holy. And Jenns was completely right about saints, we dont pray to them; we ask them to help us pray because they are already with God in Heaven.

[douge006]

well my personal opinion (not that any of you care) is that god was created as a way to explain the unknown. greeks created zeus to explain lightning, but we now know that there isn't some bearded dude in the sky throwin lightning bolts at us. the more science evolves the less need people are having for god. i really like daves line from what you are (especially live when he yells it) "But you pray down on your knees motherf***ers, you dont tell god what you want".. sort of explaining that for the most part alot of people only pray when they need stuff.

That's a good point, but you also have to take into consideration the fact that Christianity has pretty much gone unaltered since it's birth. Roman and Greek Gods and Godesses are long since gone.

It basically comes down to one thing: You can't deny that Jesus was real. And that he died. The only thing you have to choose to believe is "Did He die for the salvation of all of mans' sins, and did God resurrect Him on the third day?"

I'd also like to point out that many religions claiming to be Christianity have severely skewed from the path for the sake of their own glory. Example, Catholicism. They make their own human traditions, claiming its part of the religion, and people basically worship the Pope. They teach people to pray to people other than Jesus, which is a complete contradiction of the Bible. Also, a lot of religions/people think that "being a good person" will ensure their acceptance to heaven. There is only one way. And it's not by just being a good person. I guess that's what makes Christianity so hard to accept. But Jesus himself did say that the road would be narrow and few would enter.

That is incorrect. It's a common misconception among non-Catholics. Ever ask a friend to pray for you, or if someone is sick, you ask your friends to pray for that person? That's what we do with the saints, and Mary, and everyone else. It's called intercession. We pray to no one but God, we're simply asking for the intercession of those who have already passed on and are now with God. Most non-Catholics don't get that. But it's the same thing as asking a friend to pray for you. That's all it is.







And we don't worship the Pope.

And to add to what Jenns4ever said...the tradions of the Catholic church(mass and eucharist) are based on the last supper that Jesus had with the Apostles. Its not made up, its simply there to remind us of what happened on Good Friday more or less. I dont really know of what other tradtions you are thinking about that the Catholic church has made up. Catholics deffinately do not worship the pope. He's just the leader of the faith and is treated with high regard as being extremely devout and holy. And Jenns was completely right about saints, we dont pray to them; we ask them to help us pray because they are already with God in Heaven.

I think Hydro was just saying that catholics do somethings based on outside of the bible which is their tradition. I know you dont exactly worship the pope, but I dont think it says anything in the bible about asking saints for help, and mary is held really high in the church. My friend just got married and it was my first mass I went to and they dedicated their marriage to mary which was kind of weird for me. All in all it doesnt matter its on an individual basis, the one thing that sticks out to me about cathlocism its seems very works based, like if you dont go to church you wont to go heaven. This is just based off some of my friends i went to school with that had to be at mass every sunday.

But back to dave and what this topic was about, I think he was raised protestant / quaker, something like that so Im sure he knows his bible from his childhood. He uses a lot of different biblical references in his songs.

[Hydro120]

And to add to what Jenns4ever said...the tradions of the Catholic church(mass and eucharist) are based on the last supper that Jesus had with the Apostles. Its not made up, its simply there to remind us of what happened on Good Friday more or less. I dont really know of what other tradtions you are thinking about that the Catholic church has made up. Catholics deffinately do not worship the pope. He's just the leader of the faith and is treated with high regard as being extremely devout and holy. And Jenns was completely right about saints, we dont pray to them; we ask them to help us pray because they are already with God in Heaven.

While it is all done in good spirit, no where does it say that mass/lent/whatever is a way to get closer to God/faith/whatever.

Also, I can see your point about asking a friend to pray for you, but as far as praying to people already in heaven is concerned, that's a contradiction of the Bible. Jesus himself even said not to pray to Him. I've been taught to pray to God in Jesus' name. Kinda like if you went to a presidential event where only the who's who were there, and you were best friends with the president, and someone stopped you and asked you "Hey! What the heck do you think you're doing here???" And you said, "I'm here on behalf of the president."