Stay is a biaaatch

jellyfish · Unread post by **jellyfish** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:32 pm

I think playing Stay is much harder than Warehouse. I have been re-learning STAY after watching 10.24.02 and I find it to be difficult to play like Dave.
I can play it accurately for 2 minutes or so then my hand just cramps. Anybody else have this problem or share the same sentiment regarding this song?

Sciaracastro · Unread post by **Sciaracastro** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:37 pm

it was one of the first songs i learnt...i think it's much easier than Crazy\Captain or Crash or many other songs regarding stretches....

jellyfish · Unread post by **jellyfish** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:39 pm

Sciaracastro wrote:it was one of the first songs i learnt...i think it's much easier than Crazy\Captain or Crash or many other songs regarding stretches....

Not talking about stretches. I guess I should have clarified that.
Im referring to the strumming. I've neevr had much problem with Dave's stretches, always his strumming.

Sciaracastro · Unread post by **Sciaracastro** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:45 pm

jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:it was one of the first songs i learnt...i think it's much easier than Crazy\Captain or Crash or many other songs regarding stretches....
Not talking about stretches. I guess I should have clarified that.
Im referring to the strumming. I've neevr had much problem with Dave's stretches, always his strumming.

about strumming??
cmon, it's not that difficult...i find Fool to Think a worse bitch for my strumming hand!

jellyfish · Unread post by **jellyfish** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:49 pm

Sciaracastro wrote:
jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:it was one of the first songs i learnt...i think it's much easier than Crazy\Captain or Crash or many other songs regarding stretches....
Not talking about stretches. I guess I should have clarified that.
Im referring to the strumming. I've neevr had much problem with Dave's stretches, always his strumming.
about strumming??
cmon, it's not that difficult...i find Fool to Think a worse bitch for my strumming hand!

What? That's an easy one.

Sciaracastro · Unread post by **Sciaracastro** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:54 pm

jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:
jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:it was one of the first songs i learnt...i think it's much easier than Crazy\Captain or Crash or many other songs regarding stretches....
Not talking about stretches. I guess I should have clarified that.
Im referring to the strumming. I've neevr had much problem with Dave's stretches, always his strumming.
about strumming??
cmon, it's not that difficult...i find Fool to Think a worse bitch for my strumming hand!

What? That's an easy one.

yea, it's easy, but i actually cant play it 2 times that my hand cramps
i can play Stay as many times as i want though

jellyfish · Unread post by **jellyfish** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:59 pm

Sciaracastro wrote:
jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:
jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:it was one of the first songs i learnt...i think it's much easier than Crazy\Captain or Crash or many other songs regarding stretches....
Not talking about stretches. I guess I should have clarified that.
Im referring to the strumming. I've neevr had much problem with Dave's stretches, always his strumming.
about strumming??
cmon, it's not that difficult...i find Fool to Think a worse bitch for my strumming hand!

What? That's an easy one.
yea, it's easy, but i actually cant play it 2 times that my hand cramps
i can play Stay as many times as i want though

What part is hard for you?

Sciaracastro · Unread post by **Sciaracastro** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:02 pm

jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:
jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:
jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:it was one of the first songs i learnt...i think it's much easier than Crazy\Captain or Crash or many other songs regarding stretches....
Not talking about stretches. I guess I should have clarified that.
Im referring to the strumming. I've neevr had much problem with Dave's stretches, always his strumming.
about strumming??
cmon, it's not that difficult...i find Fool to Think a worse bitch for my strumming hand!

What? That's an easy one.
yea, it's easy, but i actually cant play it 2 times that my hand cramps
i can play Stay as many times as i want though
What part is hard for you?

it's not hard, but since it's all downstrokes, when i reach the 2nd chorus (more or less) i feel like my strumming hand is getting "nervous" (i hope this makes sense) and not relaxed. if i play it 2 times i cant always reach that part

jellyfish · Unread post by **jellyfish** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:02 pm

http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0GAI ... P12P3DTJHW

Above is a clip of Dave playing Stay. It seems like he puts more chopping, muting in the solo version versus the band version. Which makes it much harder to play for me when it comes to my stumming hand. Maybe Im playing it too hard?

jellyfish · Unread post by **jellyfish** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:04 pm

Sciaracastro wrote:
jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:
jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:
jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:it was one of the first songs i learnt...i think it's much easier than Crazy\Captain or Crash or many other songs regarding stretches....
Not talking about stretches. I guess I should have clarified that.
Im referring to the strumming. I've neevr had much problem with Dave's stretches, always his strumming.
about strumming??
cmon, it's not that difficult...i find Fool to Think a worse bitch for my strumming hand!

What? That's an easy one.
yea, it's easy, but i actually cant play it 2 times that my hand cramps
i can play Stay as many times as i want though
What part is hard for you?
it's not hard, but since it's all downstrokes, when i reach the 2nd chorus (more or less) i feel like my strumming hand is getting "nervous" (i hope this makes sense) and not relaxed. if i play it 2 times i cant always reach that part

To me, all up or all down strokes are easier than conventional strumming. I have been playing for over 10 years and feel like I still dont know how to stum correctly.

Sciaracastro · Unread post by **Sciaracastro** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:11 pm

dont make me quote all that plz

i watched the clip (damn i really want the Benaroya DVD) and it doesnt look like Dave is strumming hard. yeah there's much muting and stuff, but it's all about the fretting hand, like all Dave's songs (and u should know that

)

about FTT, well actually alternate picking (or alternate strumming) is less stressing than all upstrokes (or downstrokes) b/c w/ a full hand movement u pick 2 notes (DOWN = 1 note, UP = another note)...w/ onyl downstrks u have to double the hand movements up.
i usually have no problems w/ downstrokes at all, but FTT has a freaking fast time

jellyfish · Unread post by **jellyfish** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:16 pm

Sciaracastro wrote:dont make me quote all that plz

i watched the clip (damn i really want the Benaroya DVD) and it doesnt look like Dave is strumming hard. yeah there's much muting and stuff, but it's all about the fretting hand, like all Dave's songs (and u should know that )

about FTT, well actually alternate picking (or alternate strumming) is less stressing than all upstrokes (or downstrokes) b/c w/ a full hand movement u pick 2 notes (DOWN = 1 note, UP = another note)...w/ onyl downstrks u have to double the hand movements up.
i usually have no problems w/ downstrokes at all, but FTT has a freaking fast time

NO, it's not all his fret hand. His strumming hand is moving constantly throughout the verse, and he chops down hard 3 times . I believe this chopping/muting is what is killing me.

Sciaracastro · Unread post by **Sciaracastro** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:19 pm

jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:dont make me quote all that plz

i watched the clip (damn i really want the Benaroya DVD) and it doesnt look like Dave is strumming hard. yeah there's much muting and stuff, but it's all about the fretting hand, like all Dave's songs (and u should know that )

about FTT, well actually alternate picking (or alternate strumming) is less stressing than all upstrokes (or downstrokes) b/c w/ a full hand movement u pick 2 notes (DOWN = 1 note, UP = another note)...w/ onyl downstrks u have to double the hand movements up.
i usually have no problems w/ downstrokes at all, but FTT has a freaking fast time
NO, it's not all his fret hand. His strumming hand is moving constantly throughout the verse, and he chops down hard 3 times . I believe this chopping/muting is what is killing me.

he doesnt mute w/ the strumming hand while he's chopping

question: do u play unplugged?

jellyfish · Unread post by **jellyfish** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:25 pm

Sciaracastro wrote:
jellyfish wrote:
Sciaracastro wrote:dont make me quote all that plz

i watched the clip (damn i really want the Benaroya DVD) and it doesnt look like Dave is strumming hard. yeah there's much muting and stuff, but it's all about the fretting hand, like all Dave's songs (and u should know that )

about FTT, well actually alternate picking (or alternate strumming) is less stressing than all upstrokes (or downstrokes) b/c w/ a full hand movement u pick 2 notes (DOWN = 1 note, UP = another note)...w/ onyl downstrks u have to double the hand movements up.
i usually have no problems w/ downstrokes at all, but FTT has a freaking fast time
NO, it's not all his fret hand. His strumming hand is moving constantly throughout the verse, and he chops down hard 3 times . I believe this chopping/muting is what is killing me.
he doesnt mute w/ the strumming hand while he's chopping

question: do u play unplugged?

How about this? Since my fingers are lightly/semi-lightly touching the strings with his fret hand, it doesn't allow my pick to follow through with the strum. Which puts a strain on my wrist in this particular song.

I don't find the fret muting to be difficult at all. It's actually one of the easier things I find when playing Dave songs.

jellyfish · Unread post by **jellyfish** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:26 pm

And I play both.

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