are we blaming the producers too much?

[bassman462]

one of the biggest let downs with stand up is the drum machine sound, so its the bands fault that the drums sound so synthesized? and not that batson runned the music threw the computers a 100 times over?

[filmdude100cms]

i respectfully disagree. look at btcs, daves live wasnt too tormatic, not as rich yet, but all but halloween were new songs and written in a fairly comfortable time. steve gave him the time to perfect his lyrics, then waited in the studio til the perfect time came on that perfect take before he finished a song. he knew it took time to make gold and did. mark took a loop someone was fuckin around with. we all know if we sit down and write somethin its a lot better than that little riff we fucked with for a few minutes, not that it was bad, but work makes it better. the relaxed song a day stuff in stand up isnt what the band needs, their best stuff was written and tested for years before it was recorded, and btcs was worked on like fuck to get it perfect because it didnt have years of roadplay under its belt. those first 3 cd's were kickass because steve made them put in the work for it, these last 3 have had an attitude of "well, lets get out of here as soon as we can." and thats not right for an album it takes time and a producer who knows it.

[jsgksu]

Id also like to comment on the fact that BTCS the album was amazing, and all those songs live are amazing. A lot of albums after BTCS arent nearly as good but the songs live are much better. Id acredit the songs being mediocre on albums and good live to the producer.

[acusticdude]

Id also like to comment on the fact that BTCS the album was amazing, and all those songs live are amazing. A lot of albums after BTCS arent nearly as good but the songs live are much better. Id acredit the songs being mediocre on albums and good live to the producer.

I am not sure what you are saying here jayme. Do you mean you acredit the songs being mediocre on albums to the producer and being good live to the band? I have a simple theory on this. They are good live because the producer has no control on stage. The band is able to stretch the songs out their own way without someone looping it and throwing it into the computer, eliminating all the good stuff, for that "one riff".

[sk8r]

yes

[jsgksu]

Id also like to comment on the fact that BTCS the album was amazing, and all those songs live are amazing. A lot of albums after BTCS arent nearly as good but the songs live are much better. Id acredit the songs being mediocre on albums and good live to the producer.

I am not sure what you are saying here jayme. Do you mean you acredit the songs being mediocre on albums to the producer and being good live to the band? I have a simple theory on this. They are good live because the producer has no control on stage. The band is able to stretch the songs out their own way without someone looping it and throwing it into the computer, eliminating all the good stuff, for that "one riff".

Im saying the songs are awesome live, but sound not nearly as good on the album. They sound awesome live because the band is just straight playing them. WHat is on the album is how the producer wants it to sound. Lillywhite made great live songs sound great on the album, other producers make great live songs sound not so great on the albums.

[thepigs41ststep]

new to the boards here and i stumbled across this thread, i agree that the band is changing but the thing that dissapoints me with mark batson is how he doesnt have the drive lillywhite did. by this i mean lillywhite would make the band play songs over and over and over again until he got the perfect take and batson didnt seem to do that.

[jsgksu]

new to the boards here and i stumbled across this thread, i agree that the band is changing but the thing that dissapoints me with mark batson is how he doesnt have the drive lillywhite did. by this i mean lillywhite would make the band play songs over and over and over again until he got the perfect take and batson didnt seem to do that.

Thanks you, Batson didnt even come close to doing that, he was the exact opposite.

DMBTabs, welcome to it.

[ballmeblazer]

new to the boards here and i stumbled across this thread, i agree that the band is changing but the thing that dissapoints me with mark batson is how he doesnt have the drive lillywhite did. by this i mean lillywhite would make the band play songs over and over and over again until he got the perfect take and batson didnt seem to do that.

very well put. lillywhite was tireless in his search of perfection whereas baston's best example of laziness is making the band make a song around a warm up riff that boyd was doing. completly inexcusable. when you have a band as talented as dave matthews band, and you make them conform to a simple warm up riff you are doing that song a discervice.


and welcome to the boards, we really can't say it enough.

[c_tietze]

new to the boards here and i stumbled across this thread, i agree that the band is changing but the thing that dissapoints me with mark batson is how he doesnt have the drive lillywhite did. by this i mean lillywhite would make the band play songs over and over and over again until he got the perfect take and batson didnt seem to do that.

very well put. lillywhite was tireless in his search of perfection whereas baston's best example of laziness is making the band make a song around a warm up riff that boyd was doing. completly inexcusable. when you have a band as talented as dave matthews band, and you make them conform to a simple warm up riff you are doing that song a discervice.


and welcome to the boards, we really can't say it enough.

This is why I feel like it's all a joke, how can you be professional musicians and use a mish mash of odd riffs and lines and just throw it together and put out an album if you really "care" about the music.

I'm think they're tired guys, but I try to think what it would be like if everywhere I go people say they love me, I'm sure at one point, even the most level headed person might believe his own press. That's when you slip up, release something of lesser quality, take chances and go places you shouldn't have gone.

[cstieff]

What I am saying is that no matter how hard any producer pushes a band they are limited by themselves, in the end its dave who had to come up withthe lyrics ad the band that had to come up with the music. Making dreaming girl sound 1000 times better won't change the meaning of the song.


I see your point that the producer comes up with the proces in which they create, and bastons "loop" method obisouly din't fit well with the band where lilywhites maybe did.

[a1075dd63aa12]

i thought it was pretty much understood that the band was more at fault than the producer. they played the instruments, they came up with the music, they gave the ok on the album after hearing it. the point brock brought up about not challenging the band and the method in which they came up with the music, are my only qualms with batson.

[charliemike]

Some Devil was a fantastic album with great lyrics. He still has it ... The problem is not with Dave. It's when the rest of the bad puts in more than their $.02 worth.

IMO of course.

*cowers*

[jsgksu]

Some Devil was a fantastic album with great lyrics. He still has it ... The problem is not with Dave. It's when the rest of the bad puts in more than their $.02 worth.

IMO of course.

*cowers*

[Beauford33]

I dont find anything wrong with the album other then Everybody Wake Up.