NOTICE: deffinition of "improv"

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:09 pm

short for IMPROVISATION -

im·prov·i·sa·tion [im pròvvi záysh’n, ìmprəvi záysh’n]
n
1. improvised piece or performance: something performed or done without any preparation or set text to follow
2. creating and performing simultaneously: the skill or creative process of creating and performing something without any preparation or set text to follow

jsut to clear thing up

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:11 pm

gracias

everydayDMBfan_18 · Unread post by **everydayDMBfan_18** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 7:09 pm

In my opinion though its really hard to have pure improvisation on guitar and have it sound good. Usually you have an idea of what you're going to play or you have an idea of what your going to base it off of. I usually take a scale or something and mess around with it or I take something similar to what's being played. I hope you understand what I mean...I'm just trying to say its almost impossible to have no preperation before playing...even when someone like Timmy improvs he has an idea on what he's going to be playing

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 7:41 pm

everydayDMBfan_18 wrote:In my opinion though its really hard to have pure improvisation on guitar and have it sound good. Usually you have an idea of what you're going to play or you have an idea of what your going to base it off of. I usually take a scale or something and mess around with it or I take something similar to what's being played. I hope you understand what I mean...I'm just trying to say its almost impossible to have no preperation before playing...even when someone like Timmy improvs he has an idea on what he's going to be playing

just listen to any good jazz guitarist, then you will know what true improv is. the ideas are there but they come up while playing. they play whats in their head basically, solos that are too thought out before hand are usually robotic sounding and mechanical

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 7:42 pm

the best way to get good at it is to get comfortable with your own sound and flexible enough to transport feeling to your hands :lol:

taylordb · Unread post by **taylordb** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 9:30 pm

Bela Fleck = improv

I have seen the man in true form...when he was doing the Strength in Numbers deal....at Telluride they would start off with a song and break into a 45 min true full band improv, and Bela is amazing...there is an instantanious link from his head to his hands and his stuff is always so tasteful.

Sorry, didn't mean to steal your thread 8)

Another great improv guitarist...although I am sad to say is now dead...is Danny Gatton, who Rolling Stone Magazine rated the best "unknown" guitarist of all time.

billywestom · Unread post by **billywestom** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 12:55 am

Hey fire...have you been having problems with what people are calling "improv" lateley?

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 1:01 am

actually, i did. we were talking about it and he just took the initiative

billywestom · Unread post by **billywestom** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 1:03 am

Oh, Ok.

geekmug · Unread post by **geekmug** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 8:23 am

True improv is not impossible to achieve.. And I think there is some merit to talking about jazz guitar being a place for high-incedence of it. I've played jazz guitar for years, and I routine would walk-in and play the entire set without having but perused the part. There isn't any time to think ahead more than a couple notes (which is inevitably what improv really is). And, I can easily sit down and just play you a song that's an hour long, but it might not be the most amazing thing you've ever heard. The CD I was making was entirely made of songs on-the-spot.. I think the skill (or talent maybe) comes from just having played a lot. You know what sounds like what and you know how to get from A->B and maybe sometimes you'll stumble on a C, but you'll get back to A eventually.

Don't mistake theming in a improv as being "rehearsed" or "thought out".

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 10:39 am

true improv is possible if your Joe Pass, Al DiMeola, Mile Davis, Thelonius Monk or any other jazz great :wink:

isaac · Unread post by **isaac** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 10:42 am

you didn't mention Coltrane.

i like Coltrane...

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sat Aug 30, 2003 10:54 am

isaac wrote:you didn't mention Coltrane. i like Coltrane...

coltrane too, i just thought of a few off the top of my head

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