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Unread post by gcom007 » Tue Dec 10, 2002 10:36 am

matt2053 wrote:so just how the fuck does one play a C# then? w/out any sort of barre chord?
9X11109X

for a C#m, I love this chord...

9X11900
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gcom007 wrote:
matt2053 wrote:so just how the fuck does one play a C# then? w/out any sort of barre chord?
9X11109X

for a C#m, I love this chord...

9X11900
and 9-x-11-9-x-12
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Unread post by gcom007 » Tue Dec 10, 2002 11:15 am

gravedigger wrote:
gcom007 wrote:
matt2053 wrote:so just how the fuck does one play a C# then? w/out any sort of barre chord?
9X11109X

for a C#m, I love this chord...

9X11900
and 9-x-11-9-x-12
intriguing...
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Unread post by lpittman » Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:04 pm

gcom007 wrote:
gravedigger wrote:
gcom007 wrote:
matt2053 wrote:so just how the fuck does one play a C# then? w/out any sort of barre chord?
9X11109X

for a C#m, I love this chord...

9X11900
and 9-x-11-9-x-12
intriguing...

Based on my just recently attained knowledge ( thanks to gcom, gravedig and hansi ) on chord structures I have to argue that the chord gcom loves so much

9 X 11 10 9 X

is a C# , because the it has C# X C# F G# X and the C# major triad is ( C# F G# )

and

9 x 11 9 0 0

is a seventh chord C#m7 because it has the notes C# X C# E B E in it? am i correct? C#m7 ( minor major minor ) is ( C# E G# B )

anohter version of C#m is ( although a not very practical ) is;

0 - 4 - 2 - 1 - 5 - 0

( E C# E G# E E )

alright..

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heh. this thery shit is quite cool!

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Unread post by gcom007 » Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:19 pm

umm, I don't get your argument on the first thing, you asked for a C# major, and this is a C# major...

the second chord is just a chord I think sounds real good when you need a C#m...I think it'd only work on the guitar really due to the open nature of it...but also...X4245X is a C#m7 I believe...
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Unread post by lpittman » Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:25 pm

gcom007 wrote:umm, I don't get your argument on the first thing, you asked for a C# major, and this is a C# major...

the second chord is just a chord I think sounds real good when you need a C#m...I think it'd only work on the guitar really due to the open nature of it...but also...X4245X is a C#m7 I believe...

heheh well at least we agree, except for my reading not being a hundred percent all the time:)

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Unread post by gravedigger » Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:14 pm

lpittman wrote:
Based on my just recently attained knowledge ( thanks to gcom, gravedig and hansi ) on chord structures I have to argue that the chord gcom loves so much

9 X 11 10 9 X

is a C# , because the it has C# X C# F G# X and the C# major triad is ( C# F G# )

and

9 x 11 9 0 0

is a seventh chord C#m7 because it has the notes C# X C# E B E in it? am i correct? C#m7 ( minor major minor ) is ( C# E G# B )

anohter version of C#m is ( although a not very practical ) is;

0 - 4 - 2 - 1 - 5 - 0

( E C# E G# E E )

alright..

cheers

Lars

heh. this thery shit is quite cool!

cheers
you're right, that is a C# major chord, but the one he said he loved so much is the C#m7 chord: 9-X-11-9-0-0

and the C#m chord that you mentioned: X-4-2-1-5-X is close to the first chord in Captain : X-4-2-1-4-X which is C#m(add9) cause the 4 on the b string is the 9th scale degree of the C# scale (D#) its' a very cool sounding chord. a more practical way of playing the C#m chord is the #41 way: 9-7-6-9-x-x or the traditional way: x-4-6-6-5-x
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Unread post by gcom007 » Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:48 pm

I'm confused as heck, I thought he asked for a C# major...can I just not read?
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Unread post by gravedigger » Tue Dec 10, 2002 3:14 pm

gcom007 wrote:I'm confused as heck, I thought he asked for a C# major...can I just not read?
he did. I think :?
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Unread post by lpittman » Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:04 pm

gravedigger wrote:
gcom007 wrote:I'm confused as heck, I thought he asked for a C# major...can I just not read?
he did. I think :?
yeah he did ask for a c#, but I got so excited about using my little theory in practice that I thought he asked for a C#m. Anyway the reason I did post it was because you posted the chord you love ( :) ) and that it sounded as though you meant that that was a c# major aswell, which it is not, and that's why I posted the reply..

Anyway it's a good thing that I finally know how to construct some chords.. But what is the correct way to stack the notes on top eachother?, in guitar terms that is .. can you just play with it like you want and find which ever combination of the triad makes the best sound, or is there a one correct way?

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Unread post by gravedigger » Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:17 pm

lpittman wrote:
can you just play with it like you want and find which ever combination of the triad makes the best sound,

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Lars

you said it, man. what ever floats your boat. there are subtle differences that can really make some chord formations better than others. take #41 for example, the standard Em chord 0-2-2-0-0-0 does not sound as good as the one Dave uses : 0-7-5-4-8-x-x. neither does the Am and Bm chords - Traditional: x-0-2-2-1-0 , x-2-4-4-3-2 don't take the place of Daves, Am and Bm 5-3-2-5-x-x, 7-5-4-7-x-x. the same notes are being played but just in different orders:

x-0-2-2-1-0 uses scale degrees: x-1-5-1-3-5
5-3-2-5-x-x uses scale degrees: 1-3-5-3-x-x (its all in the minor 3rd)

0-2-2-0-0-0 uses scale degrees: 1-5-1-3-5-1
(0)-7-5-4-5-x uses scale degrees: (1)-1-3-5-3-x see the difference?
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Unread post by gcom007 » Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:19 pm

oh wait, we've got Canadians here too... :roll: :wink:

well anyways, it's a free country, have fun! :D
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Unread post by lpittman » Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:24 pm

gravedigger wrote: 0-2-2-0-0-0 uses scale degrees: 1-5-1-3-5-1
(0)-7-5-4-5-x uses scale degrees: (1)-1-3-5-3-x see the difference?
Makes sense. But why do you include the low E (0) and not the high E x? In other words, why would you include the low E as an option () but not the high E ?
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Unread post by gravedigger » Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:35 pm

lpittman wrote:
gravedigger wrote: 0-2-2-0-0-0 uses scale degrees: 1-5-1-3-5-1
(0)-7-5-4-5-x uses scale degrees: (1)-1-3-5-3-x see the difference?
Makes sense. But why do you include the low E (0) and not the high E x? In other words, why would you include the low E as an option () but not the high E ?
good question. I guess it doesn't really matter if you play em or not. I guess since the high e note is the same note as the 5 on the b string so its unnecessary, while the low E is sometimes nice when playing solo or whatever. its personal preference I guess.
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