fatjack wrote:mattinbeloit wrote:i realize a few of you have said that it is cheap but give me some reasons, i'm not trying to be an ass it's just the people that own behringer stuff seem to be happy and their stuff shows no signs of wearing out.
behringer uses inferior parts to sell their products at a low price
inferior craftsmanship can lead to several problems similar to any other product that is made with shitty parts:
1. The longevity of the product is severely compromised
2. Slight shock (dropping, etc.) can cause a malfunction
3. circuits, wiring can short or burn out easily.
4. an in the specific case of mixers, shoddily made mixers will lose quality as more intruments and cables are inputted in to them
5. and an overall compromise in clarity of sound
contrary to what catho thinks, im not talking out of my ass. he's just having a whiny fit because i dont agree with a particular opinion that he holds
Why would you think (because thats all that we do here, no matter if you think otherwise we are all just guessing here) that they use "more" inferior parts than a 100 dollar mixer?
Those extra 50 bucks go to, as you said maybe better builders, but I would guess that its more likely that they go to a stupid company structure with too many middlehands whereas, as it has been stated earlier, Behringer has reduced those middlemen.
What Behringer is doing is really simple, provide standard mixers, no fuzz nothing weird about them. Reduce the paychecks, increase the quantity (which itself means that they pay less per constructed unit) and sell them for a bit less than other manufacturers to steal their market and get a place of their own. I dont know if Behringer might be planning to add highend products when theyve established themselves on the market but I wouldnt be surprised. Anyway, reputation is key and they cant build inferior products and survive and I think they like to survive, dont you? A company can only dope its costumers for so long.
I'm thinking that if you buy a Tascam and a Behringer and chop them up and looks at the soldering and the components youll find that they might even come from the same place. Dont forget also, that mixers are simple constructions and the most likely thing to break down (besides a input or output cracking) is the soldering and thats a piece of cake to fix.
Brock, I did mention a micpreamp earlier in this thread, but I would suggest against it. First of all, its not cheaper really. What you do is that you trade away inputs and connectivity for a tube, which might be great for people. But the tube wont make recordings sound good on its own, so it wont make a difference and will still need a good "engineer" adding plugins etc. Therefore the extra inputs and stereo RCA outs and ins are probably more benefitting than an Tele/XLR out that runs through a tube.
Plus, I'm yet to find a micpreamp with two or more inputs (if I could find it I would get it myself
) and I'm guessing that a guitar and a singer is what we are discussing here in this thread, so eventually a extra mic will need an input.
The best would be to the get tube micpreamps and run them into a mixer and then into the computer. 8)
And fortyoneantz, its really nice that you like to back your friend up, but Im still waiting for my prize.
All in all just paying a shitload for a good mixer wont make your recordings any better than saving the cash and buying another good mixer (which might be worse), there certainly are more aspects to it that matters more. The most vital part would be the mic and how its placed and in what room etc, the knowledge certain people got about mics is incredible! The second most vital part is the soundcard, it limits your quality and doesnt give a shit about if you got a good mixer or not, so make sure you got a soundcard designed for recording as a generic soundcard comes with weak recording but great playback, a sensible market choice (how many regular computer users record stuff?
)
Then when you got these two things down (Mic and soundcard) its important to make sure that you add components (such as a linebooster IE Mixer) and that the added components increase the distortion level at a minimum. The more you add the more your signal degrades etc. Which also explains why its better to use software effects than hardware effects when doing recording, youll get better results that way.
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fatjack wrote:bbatsell wrote:fatjack wrote:mattinbeloit wrote:i realize a few of you have said that it is cheap but give me some reasons, i'm not trying to be an ass it's just the people that own behringer stuff seem to be happy and their stuff shows no signs of wearing out.
behringer uses inferior parts to sell their products at a low price
inferior craftsmanship can lead to several problems similar to any other product that is made with shitty parts:
1. The longevity of the product is severely compromised
2. Slight shock (dropping, etc.) can cause a malfunction
3. circuits, wiring can short or burn out easily.
4. an in the specific case of mixers, shoddily made mixers will lose quality as more intruments and cables are inputted in to them
5. and an overall compromise in clarity of sound
contrary to what catho thinks, im not talking out of my ass. he's just having a whiny fit because i dont agree with a particular opinion that he holds
Josh is definitely right in this situation, HOWEVER, it's you that must make the decision. If you don't need high-quality recordings and can deal with some signal noise, then the Behringer might make the most sense with its price point. If all you're wanting to buy the mixer for is for the phantom power (which is what it sounds like from your initial post) -
take a look at mic preamps instead.
exactly, or just a phantom power supply box
Huh? Micpreamps and mixers are the only phantom powered units that will work well.. Try connecting a standard condenser microphone into your computer and see how much clean and nice sound you can cram out of it.
The idea of preamps is to adjust the level to the input, but OK, nevermind because I might be wrong and dont want to trap myself into a corner.
