Lover Lay Down correction

[tlesnick]

The tab posted by the site for lover lay down is pretty close, but there are a few mistakes.

1. The main riff follows the correct E string bass-line, but the other two notes are slightly off. On the D and G strings respectively, it goes: 0-2 then slide up to 5-4, then slide up to 6-7, then just bar the 7-7 to finish. Then just slide back down the E string. The entire riff is just sliding around. All of the other strings should be muted.

2. The chorus is close, but slightly off as well. The first chord shown on the tab is an open A chord. Dave plays a different variation of an A chord here instead... the same one at the beginning of Tripping Billies. Just as in Tripping Billies, pull off your 4th finger and transition into the next 4-x-2-4-x-x. After that, go into the G major variation:

3-x-x-0-3-x ---> 3-x-x-4-3-x ---> 3-x-x-2-3-x

Then go into the dave chord 7-5-4-7-x-x.
Then go into a standard A major: 3-5-5-4-3-3.


So, the whole chorus is:

5-4-2-6-x-x ---> 5-4-2-0-x-x

4-x-2-4-x-x

3-x-x-0-3-x ---> 3-x-x-4-3-x ---> 3-x-x-2-3-x

7-5-4-7-x-x

3-5-5-4-3-3

Dave plays the chorus while continuously stumming.

- Tom

[Sort Of A Protest Song]

Interesting way of playing it. It's quite a big difference from what's on the site. I'm wondering, did you tab this by ear or after seeing it played?

[dmbguitar718]

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chords can be played many ways. i'm sure dave knows this. the tab is not "wrong". perhaps just the version you saw/listened to, dave decided to switch it up.

[tlesnick]

I listened to the red rocks version and played around with some traditional dave chords that he was using a lot in his earlier days.

[Brock]

I listened to the red rocks version and played around with some traditional dave chords that he was using a lot in his earlier days.

Keep in mind that the tabs on this site are made from actually watching Dave's hands and formations, and not by ear.

Moved to Suggestions, and the double-post is locked.

[tlesnick]

Don't get me wrong, I completely understand that dmbtabs.com actually watches how Dave plays the song. But from what I heard on the red rocks cd, this tab is what I thought he was playing, keeping in mind that he was probably using familiar dave chords.

[Ricky the Pilot]

Dave changes his songs over time. Like the old Warehouse and the new Warehouse. They are slightly different. I think he likes to try different things that sound good to him, or he he'll change it if he's playing solo, duet or with the band. Still, they are all close enough for me.

[Speenis]

Dave changes his songs over time. Like the old Warehouse and the new Warehouse. They are slightly different. I think he likes to try different things that sound good to him, or he he'll change it if he's playing solo, duet or with the band. Still, they are all close enough for me.

Exactly, this argument can be made for several of his songs. Thats what is cool about music.

[jkanter]

Here we go again I often get people with new tabs thinking that Dave's playing it that way. Most often, that is not the case.

NOW...I AM SAYING THIS BEFORE I GO INTO ANYTHING ELSE. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH PLAYING A SONG DIFFERENTLY THAN DAVE. The site is here to bring tabs to people exactly how the musician plays them. Too often tabs are just incorrect(other bands) and knowing you can go somewhere to get something RIGHT is what I am trying to do. On the other hand, this post is EXACTLY what the message boards are for. A new way to play the song...a 2nd guitar part...something to work with and have fun...change it up...make the song unique. You can be one to want to play the song "as the artist" or try to make it unique...but still sound right. NEITHER ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG...whatever you play is right as long as you like it.

Now to go into the situation at hand. As for the slides...those could be different on the Red Rocks version as it could be differnt on others. Most of the video's I've seen have him lifting a finger during each of the slide's but it sounds perfect and excellent with both sliding.

I am being honest here in saying that I have studied Dave Matthews guitar style more than anyone on these boards. The time and effort I've put into watching video's and studying his hand movements for these tabs would be impossible to count.

Yes, Dave has changed up songs BUT NOT AS MUCH AS SOME WOULD THINK. Actually...very rarely considering the collection of songs he has written. Dave Matthews is not the greatest musician and when he writes/learns something...he tends to stick with that. Yes, acoustic some things change a little(Raven as an example) but for the most part he plays things almost exactly the same.

As for the playing the chorus...and I want to re-iterate that I'm IN NO WAY saying it's wrong to play it that way...Dave does not. I have video's of Dave playing Lover Lay Down spanning from 1992->2000+ and none of those video's has he played the chorus differently. It has a VERY, VERY, VERY unique guitar part and one that would not be easy to change and have sound EXACTLY the same. You have to remember that he also would have to learn a completly new guitar part for a song he's been playing forever...AND HAVE TO SING OVER IT. It obviously can be done, but I am very confident in saying that Dave did not change up the chorus for JUST the Red Rocks show. Remember that Red Rocks back then was just another show...nothing special at the time.

So in conclusion, did Dave play it that way...I am about 99.9999999999999999% sure he didn't. But should you play it that way? Yes...if you want to. Hell, I fucking applaud you for coming up with that tab. It sounds excellent and is a hell of a lot better than I can do by ear(I tab through video's...I suck ) The tab is 100% something that should be shared with the community because that's how we all become better. Keep the alternate tabs coming! They sound great and some people might enjoy playing it that way!

EDIT: Could I be wrong? 100% and that's why I always take into consideration all tab change suggestions. After looking over some vids, I stick by my original thoughts

[mangold]

yeh dude, this should have been presented as an alternate tab as opposed to a correction. You're new so i think people will be less harsh than they want to be...

[417roylat]

Why do some of you call chords, "dave chords". He uses alot of different variations and shapes of standard chords, but he did not invent them. I mean, chords like the 7-5-4-7, used in 41 is not a "dave chord'. Its just another way of playing the standard Bm7, I hope you guys realize that many, many guitarists for decades have been playing chords like this. It does give it a crisp percussive sound, and that is the reason dave plays them like this. These kinds of 'dave chords' you guys always talk about, are just regular chords. He did not invent them, he just plays chords in the position he thinks is the best for that song. Also, since he sings, chord positions are important to keep it easier to play and sing.

[jsgksu]

Why do some of you call chords, "dave chords". He uses alot of different variations and shapes of standard chords, but he did not invent them. I mean, chords like the 7-5-4-7, used in 41 is not a "dave chord'. Its just another way of playing the standard Bm7, I hope you guys realize that many, many guitarists for decades have been playing chords like this. It does give it a crisp percussive sound, and that is the reason dave plays them like this. These kinds of 'dave chords' you guys always talk about, are just regular chords. He did not invent them, he just plays chords in the position he thinks is the best for that song. Also, since he sings, chord positions are important to keep it easier to play and sing.

Were all quite aware he didnt invent them, he uses them constantly and a lot more than most guitarists, this is a dmb board and thats how we refer to them. Its much easier then trying to come up with names for them, thats just what dmb guitar players refer to them a lot of the time.

[Brock]

Why do some of you call chords, "dave chords". He uses alot of different variations and shapes of standard chords, but he did not invent them. I mean, chords like the 7-5-4-7, used in 41 is not a "dave chord'. Its just another way of playing the standard Bm7, I hope you guys realize that many, many guitarists for decades have been playing chords like this. It does give it a crisp percussive sound, and that is the reason dave plays them like this. These kinds of 'dave chords' you guys always talk about, are just regular chords. He did not invent them, he just plays chords in the position he thinks is the best for that song. Also, since he sings, chord positions are important to keep it easier to play and sing.

No, you're wrong, Dave invented those locations on the fretboard.

[a1075dd63aa12]

Why do some of you call chords, "dave chords". He uses alot of different variations and shapes of standard chords, but he did not invent them. I mean, chords like the 7-5-4-7, used in 41 is not a "dave chord'. Its just another way of playing the standard Bm7, I hope you guys realize that many, many guitarists for decades have been playing chords like this. It does give it a crisp percussive sound, and that is the reason dave plays them like this. These kinds of 'dave chords' you guys always talk about, are just regular chords. He did not invent them, he just plays chords in the position he thinks is the best for that song. Also, since he sings, chord positions are important to keep it easier to play and sing.

No, you're wrong, Dave invented those locations on the fretboard.

[tlesnick]

jkanter - thanks man. I listened to the song again, and I was able to hear some notes from dave's guitar that I couldn't pick up before, so I think you're right too. Also, I picked up an error in my own version: above when I said "A major" and then wrote 3-5-5-4-3-3... thats wrong... of course. The chord is still A major, which is 5-7-7-6-5-5.

I am new to writing and posting tabs, so I apologize. Thanks for being lenient.

I'm going to see the band play in VA Beach on June 23... I'm really psyched. Last time I saw them play was 2 years ago at the same place. I'll see if I can pick up any new variations or anything throughout the show. In the meantime, I've got other Dave tunes that I play slightly differently than him. So, I'll keep those coming for the community to view and critique.