#41 and #36 Names

[yaggy]

Why are these songs named like this? And does anyone really know what the lyrics in #41 really mean?

Sorry if its a stupid question haha =) .. But yeah would really love to know

Thanks in advance guys!

[Nitro1515]

Those are the order in which Dave wrote them so #41 is the 41st song he wrote. And #41 is about the problems Dave had with his one time teacher Ross Hoffman who claimed that Dave stole the chords for #41 from him.

[czech]

Duh, doesnt he know they are "Dave Chords"

[shess22]

Those are the order in which Dave wrote them so #41 is the 41st song he wrote. And #41 is about the problems Dave had with his one time teacher Ross Hoffman who claimed that Dave stole the chords for #41 from him.

I thought he wrote it while he was in conflict with two record companies who were fighting over the rights to him...?

[acusticdude]

this is all covered pretty clearly in "Step into the light".

[acusticdude]

this is all covered pretty clearly in "Step into the light".

[mlb1399]

41 used to be called 41 police

And I think the general theme of the song, is how at that point in his career playing music had lost it's innocence. Which was in reference to a dispute between one of his former managers and the record company.

[GSR]

songs usually take their numbers as their names when neither the band nor jeff bagby, the band's soundman, who was responsible for naming blue water baboon farm and heathcliff's haiku warriors, can think of an adequate title for a tune.

[Grandpagotgame]

#41 sounds kind of like a love song to me, but I know that you guys are right about what it's meaning is. Becasue I have read the same thing that you all are saying a bunch. I think I've heard Dave say tha he just couldn't think of names for the songs so he did this, Dave says he has a lack of creativity. Look at the band's name for example.

[HCHaikuWarrior]

he definitely does not have a lack of creativity

[Davy28]

it depends

[Grandpagotgame]

he definitely does not have a lack of creativity

I know he doesn't, he seems like a really modest guy

[sk8r]

ha lacks creativity in all the things no one cares about (song titles band name) but his lyrics most definitely come out as poetry to me which is very creative....one of the best song writers in my opinion

[Ranting Thespian]

ok, to set the record straight from the book, step into the light. His mentor (not teacher) who helped Dave in the early days around 1989-1992. He helped inspire songs and other things with Dave. Around the time of 1995, he wanted rights and money from those songs. Ross Hoffman and the band's manager and dave and the band all starting fighting in lawsuits. Dave hated that they were fighting like that. 41 Police (then changed to just #41) was basicly saying "We are we fighting? Why do we have to argue about these little things? Can't we just go out into the rain and play?" And yes, with their soundman, he named songs that DMB or Dave couldn't name, blue water (baboon farm) and heathcliff's haiku warriors. So, Dave and the band were putting their songs in order, and they couldn't find a name, they labeld a song #32 (which then was named Kind Intentions, and copywrited as that name). They came to #34, and just decided to call it that, thinking of no other better names. Then #36 came, and decided to keep it like that too. Then no one said the name for #40, so fans just thought of calling it, in the order of the band's tradition, and called it #40 (some people called it Always, though, but in the end, it was released as #40). Then #41 came along, and they tried to be a little more creative, and said 41 Police, but it didn't fit. So they just did #41. Now, as acording to antsmarching.org, they numbering sstopped soon after #41, and it gets hard to decide which song goes where. Fans had a hard time too, because some songs started to Grow out of the studio, like Let You Down. Some people named Reconcile as #58, but it wasn't that in order at all. So, now expect no numbers.

Sigh, thank god I am a fast typer, or these history lessons would take all day . . . phew.

[acusticdude]

ok, to set the record straight from the book, step into the light. His mentor (not teacher) who helped Dave in the early days around 1989-1992. He helped inspire songs and other things with Dave. Around the time of 1995, he wanted rights and money from those songs. Ross Hoffman and the band's manager and dave and the band all starting fighting in lawsuits. Dave hated that they were fighting like that. 41 Police (then changed to just #41) was basicly saying "We are we fighting? Why do we have to argue about these little things? Can't we just go out into the rain and play?" And yes, with their soundman, he named songs that DMB or Dave couldn't name, blue water (baboon farm) and heathcliff's haiku warriors. So, Dave and the band were putting their songs in order, and they couldn't find a name, they labeld a song #32 (which then was named Kind Intentions, and copywrited as that name). They came to #34, and just decided to call it that, thinking of no other better names. Then #36 came, and decided to keep it like that too. Then no one said the name for #40, so fans just thought of calling it, in the order of the band's tradition, and called it #40 (some people called it Always, though, but in the end, it was released as #40). Then #41 came along, and they tried to be a little more creative, and said 41 Police, but it didn't fit. So they just did #41. Now, as acording to antsmarching.org, they numbering sstopped soon after #41, and it gets hard to decide which song goes where. Fans had a hard time too, because some songs started to Grow out of the studio, like Let You Down. Some people named Reconcile as #58, but it wasn't that in order at all. So, now expect no numbers.

Sigh, thank god I am a fast typer, or these history lessons would take all day . . . phew.

thank you for doing the research and setting the record straight ranting, excellent job!