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Unread post by myonlybliss » Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:40 pm

Where would you guys suggest taking my Taylor 110 to set up the action etc...
I don't feel comfortable doing it myself (I changed from light to med gauge). I've heard not to go to guitar center to have this done? Any suggestions?

Im in the Atlanta area.

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Unread post by Morphius » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:31 pm

I can't give you names of specific stores, but the best advice is always just to look around. Go to a few stores and ask questions about what you are considering. If you're going to have your guitar setup, go to a few stores (big and small) and ask them what they do? Ask how long they've been in business. An important question is if the people working on guitar play guitar themselves.

Form your own opinions about a shop because they play a very important role in keeping you sounding good.

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Unread post by filmdude100cms » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:32 pm

ive spent a lot of time in the atlanta area, what stores are you looking at, ill see if i remember any of them.

and yeah your GC is just eh sub par.

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Unread post by mangold » Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:11 pm

are you sure you're not comfortable doin it yourself? thats the best way to do it because you can get it set just right and you dont need to fork over any dough. we'll talk ya through it if ya'd like
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Unread post by myonlybliss » Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:22 pm

well---i have adjusted the rod and i can't get that right so i think the saddle needs to be shaved down or replaced (it's been shaved before by someone who screwed it up---that's why i asked who was good around here) so i don't really know what step to take next---possibly buy another saddle from Taylor?

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Unread post by filmdude100cms » Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:28 pm

myonlybliss wrote:well---i have adjusted the rod and i can't get that right so i think the saddle needs to be shaved down or replaced (it's been shaved before by someone who screwed it up---that's why i asked who was good around here) so i don't really know what step to take next---possibly buy another saddle from Taylor?
ok never mess with the rod before the saddle, NEVER. you could pop a rod, and thats $500

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Unread post by mangold » Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:42 pm

filmdude100cms wrote:
myonlybliss wrote:well---i have adjusted the rod and i can't get that right so i think the saddle needs to be shaved down or replaced (it's been shaved before by someone who screwed it up---that's why i asked who was good around here) so i don't really know what step to take next---possibly buy another saddle from Taylor?
ok never mess with the rod before the saddle, NEVER. you could pop a rod, and thats $500
err... you always fix the truss first, and the chances of you breaking a rod if you know what you're doing is slim to none. the saddle is what requires skill and ability to work with.

if the saddle is too low your only choice is to buy a new one. id have that shaped by a pro if it doesnt come from taylor already shaped.
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Unread post by filmdude100cms » Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:46 pm

praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
myonlybliss wrote:well---i have adjusted the rod and i can't get that right so i think the saddle needs to be shaved down or replaced (it's been shaved before by someone who screwed it up---that's why i asked who was good around here) so i don't really know what step to take next---possibly buy another saddle from Taylor?
ok never mess with the rod before the saddle, NEVER. you could pop a rod, and thats $500
err... you always fix the truss first, and the chances of you breaking a rod if you know what you're doing is slim to none. the saddle is what requires skill and ability to work with.

if the saddle is too low your only choice is to buy a new one. id have that shaped by a pro if it doesnt come from taylor already shaped.
if he doesnt know how to lower the action saddle wise i dont think he can adjust the rod properly...

no offense man.

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Unread post by mangold » Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:49 pm

filmdude100cms wrote:
praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
myonlybliss wrote:well---i have adjusted the rod and i can't get that right so i think the saddle needs to be shaved down or replaced (it's been shaved before by someone who screwed it up---that's why i asked who was good around here) so i don't really know what step to take next---possibly buy another saddle from Taylor?
ok never mess with the rod before the saddle, NEVER. you could pop a rod, and thats $500
err... you always fix the truss first, and the chances of you breaking a rod if you know what you're doing is slim to none. the saddle is what requires skill and ability to work with.

if the saddle is too low your only choice is to buy a new one. id have that shaped by a pro if it doesnt come from taylor already shaped.
if he doesnt know how to lower the action saddle wise i dont think he can adjust the rod properly...

no offense man.
you dont think he has the ability to insert an allen wrench, turn 1/8 turn in the desired direction, wait, repeat as necessary?

lowering the saddle is way more in depth than i think you think. theres alot of math involved, or alot of trial and error. and theres special tools and you have to make sure you keep the string slots the right depth and width, its way more work!
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Unread post by filmdude100cms » Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:04 pm

praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
myonlybliss wrote:well---i have adjusted the rod and i can't get that right so i think the saddle needs to be shaved down or replaced (it's been shaved before by someone who screwed it up---that's why i asked who was good around here) so i don't really know what step to take next---possibly buy another saddle from Taylor?
ok never mess with the rod before the saddle, NEVER. you could pop a rod, and thats $500
err... you always fix the truss first, and the chances of you breaking a rod if you know what you're doing is slim to none. the saddle is what requires skill and ability to work with.

if the saddle is too low your only choice is to buy a new one. id have that shaped by a pro if it doesnt come from taylor already shaped.
if he doesnt know how to lower the action saddle wise i dont think he can adjust the rod properly...

no offense man.
you dont think he has the ability to insert an allen wrench, turn 1/8 turn in the desired direction, wait, repeat as necessary?

lowering the saddle is way more in depth than i think you think. theres alot of math involved, or alot of trial and error. and theres special tools and you have to make sure you keep the string slots the right depth and width, its way more work!
its the amount of turning involved some might think turning the rod once over, or half over should work, we know it puts waaaay to much change too fast....

and i know how much work is involved on saddle adjustments, not much, you measure your action, get the saddle measure off the difference between what you have and what you want and then shave it to there. its not much, ive lowered mine and otheres action many times. doesnt take long at all. truss rod takes much more math and calculations.

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Unread post by mangold » Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:43 pm

filmdude100cms wrote:
praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
myonlybliss wrote:well---i have adjusted the rod and i can't get that right so i think the saddle needs to be shaved down or replaced (it's been shaved before by someone who screwed it up---that's why i asked who was good around here) so i don't really know what step to take next---possibly buy another saddle from Taylor?
ok never mess with the rod before the saddle, NEVER. you could pop a rod, and thats $500
err... you always fix the truss first, and the chances of you breaking a rod if you know what you're doing is slim to none. the saddle is what requires skill and ability to work with.

if the saddle is too low your only choice is to buy a new one. id have that shaped by a pro if it doesnt come from taylor already shaped.
if he doesnt know how to lower the action saddle wise i dont think he can adjust the rod properly...

no offense man.
you dont think he has the ability to insert an allen wrench, turn 1/8 turn in the desired direction, wait, repeat as necessary?

lowering the saddle is way more in depth than i think you think. theres alot of math involved, or alot of trial and error. and theres special tools and you have to make sure you keep the string slots the right depth and width, its way more work!
its the amount of turning involved some might think turning the rod once over, or half over should work, we know it puts waaaay to much change too fast....

and i know how much work is involved on saddle adjustments, not much, you measure your action, get the saddle measure off the difference between what you have and what you want and then shave it to there. its not much, ive lowered mine and otheres action many times. doesnt take long at all. truss rod takes much more math and calculations.
truss rod requires no math, just turn a little, see how ya like it, turn more or less depending on what you like. and the bridge setup has a bamillion calculations, ill try and find em.
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Unread post by filmdude100cms » Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:59 pm

praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
myonlybliss wrote:well---i have adjusted the rod and i can't get that right so i think the saddle needs to be shaved down or replaced (it's been shaved before by someone who screwed it up---that's why i asked who was good around here) so i don't really know what step to take next---possibly buy another saddle from Taylor?
ok never mess with the rod before the saddle, NEVER. you could pop a rod, and thats $500
err... you always fix the truss first, and the chances of you breaking a rod if you know what you're doing is slim to none. the saddle is what requires skill and ability to work with.

if the saddle is too low your only choice is to buy a new one. id have that shaped by a pro if it doesnt come from taylor already shaped.
if he doesnt know how to lower the action saddle wise i dont think he can adjust the rod properly...

no offense man.
you dont think he has the ability to insert an allen wrench, turn 1/8 turn in the desired direction, wait, repeat as necessary?

lowering the saddle is way more in depth than i think you think. theres alot of math involved, or alot of trial and error. and theres special tools and you have to make sure you keep the string slots the right depth and width, its way more work!
its the amount of turning involved some might think turning the rod once over, or half over should work, we know it puts waaaay to much change too fast....

and i know how much work is involved on saddle adjustments, not much, you measure your action, get the saddle measure off the difference between what you have and what you want and then shave it to there. its not much, ive lowered mine and otheres action many times. doesnt take long at all. truss rod takes much more math and calculations.
truss rod requires no math, just turn a little, see how ya like it, turn more or less depending on what you like. and the bridge setup has a bamillion calculations, ill try and find em.
what calculations ive done it tons of times you do like i said, measure the action, subtract the difference, mark that on the saddle, sand off.

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Unread post by Morphius » Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:28 am

ahem... I don't think any of us are really helping this guy :)

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Unread post by mangold » Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:56 pm

filmdude100cms wrote:
praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
praisedave wrote:
filmdude100cms wrote:
myonlybliss wrote:well---i have adjusted the rod and i can't get that right so i think the saddle needs to be shaved down or replaced (it's been shaved before by someone who screwed it up---that's why i asked who was good around here) so i don't really know what step to take next---possibly buy another saddle from Taylor?
ok never mess with the rod before the saddle, NEVER. you could pop a rod, and thats $500
err... you always fix the truss first, and the chances of you breaking a rod if you know what you're doing is slim to none. the saddle is what requires skill and ability to work with.

if the saddle is too low your only choice is to buy a new one. id have that shaped by a pro if it doesnt come from taylor already shaped.
if he doesnt know how to lower the action saddle wise i dont think he can adjust the rod properly...

no offense man.
you dont think he has the ability to insert an allen wrench, turn 1/8 turn in the desired direction, wait, repeat as necessary?

lowering the saddle is way more in depth than i think you think. theres alot of math involved, or alot of trial and error. and theres special tools and you have to make sure you keep the string slots the right depth and width, its way more work!
its the amount of turning involved some might think turning the rod once over, or half over should work, we know it puts waaaay to much change too fast....

and i know how much work is involved on saddle adjustments, not much, you measure your action, get the saddle measure off the difference between what you have and what you want and then shave it to there. its not much, ive lowered mine and otheres action many times. doesnt take long at all. truss rod takes much more math and calculations.
truss rod requires no math, just turn a little, see how ya like it, turn more or less depending on what you like. and the bridge setup has a bamillion calculations, ill try and find em.
what calculations ive done it tons of times you do like i said, measure the action, subtract the difference, mark that on the saddle, sand off.
okay, what fret do you measure the action at? the calculations i used for setting up the guitar i built had me measure the action from every even fret including the nut and then average it out... for every string. on a 6 string guitar with 20 frets thats 66 measurements and 6 eleven number averages. Then the curve of the saddle is a calculation thats uber more complicated: you have to measure the radius of the fretboard which is a whole operation in itself then you have to determine the rate of increase of the radius from the nut to the 12th fret then extend that until you get to the saddle. im not even going to try and explain how to sand on an accurate radius...

but i dont wanna fight with you film... we tight

and morphius... hes been helped! :wink: :D
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Unread post by filmdude100cms » Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:47 pm

well see its different when your setting action a guitar your building, when your just changing bridges its nothin. for another 50 cents you can get a preshaped bridge and then just set it in, measure at 12, subtract to the distance you want, sand it off.

and i know i wasnt fighting, just a difference of opinions.

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