flamenco strumming

[fatjack]

No he does't think he is the proverbial "shit" but do you know a song "vocally or instrumentally" that would baffle him...I'm sorry if I sound like an idiot but I have zero musical training

i didn't say he thought he was the shit, i was merely reiterating the point that he thought the timing of the song was something special, thusly he thinks its "hot shit"

how do you mean baffle? impress? horrify? im not sure what you are looking to do with this guy...

[Buck]

No he does't think he is the proverbial "shit" but do you know a song "vocally or instrumentally" that would baffle him...I'm sorry if I sound like an idiot but I have zero musical training

i didn't say he thought he was the shit, i was merely reiterating the point that he thought the timing of the song was something special, thusly he thinks its "hot shit"

how do you mean baffle? impress? horrify? im not sure what you are looking to do with this guy...

Oh my bad...to be honest I really don't know...I just find it kinda interesting when music majors go back and forth in-depth about music from different time periods, stuff that I know very little about...continue on w/your evening and lets not hijack this dudes thread 2 much...thanks though

[Buck]

we now resume our original broadcast of flamenco strumming

[fatjack]

No he does't think he is the proverbial "shit" but do you know a song "vocally or instrumentally" that would baffle him...I'm sorry if I sound like an idiot but I have zero musical training

i didn't say he thought he was the shit, i was merely reiterating the point that he thought the timing of the song was something special, thusly he thinks its "hot shit"

how do you mean baffle? impress? horrify? im not sure what you are looking to do with this guy...

Oh my bad...to be honest I really don't know...I just find it kinda interesting when music majors go back and forth in-depth about music from different time periods, stuff that I know very little about...continue on w/your evening and lets not hijack this dudes thread 2 much...thanks though

well, i really dont know much about historic music, im only a freshman and haven't taken any music history courses yet.

[JazzBassist114]

well, i mean, i want to learn flamenco strumming, but not necessarily for use in playing flamenco, you know? like...i really don't know what to compare it to, but my last post was worded properly. it should have said "i'm more interested in learning HOW to strum, than learning what to strum." if that makes any sense at all...

no it doesn't make sense, how do you plan on learning a technique if you don't learn some basic repetiore? that would be like a guitar player saying, "hey i want to learn violin technique, but i don't actually want to pick up a violin"

techniques are inherently associated with a style or styles. how can you possibly learn flamenco strumming without learning any flamenco?

well, okay, say you want to learn classical style fingerpicking. that doesn't necessarily mean you are going to use it to play classical music, you could take that technique and apply it to a different kind of music. thats what i'm intending to do. i don't necessarily want to learn flamenco music, but i want to learn the techniques in it. i spose your right, but i was just kind of looking for a way around it. maybe...

ps. andy shut the fuck up

[fatjack]

well, okay, say you want to learn classical style fingerpicking. that doesn't necessarily mean you are going to use it to play classical music, you could take that technique and apply it to a different kind of music. thats what i'm intending to do. i don't necessarily want to learn flamenco music, but i want to learn the techniques in it. i spose your right, but i was just kind of looking for a way around it. maybe...

no, there is no maybe about it.

yes you can apply the technique to another style of music, but you have to learn the actual technique first, and to do so, you have to learn the style. learn the style and by doing so you will learn the technique, THEN apply it to other styles

[mangold]

well, i mean, i want to learn flamenco strumming, but not necessarily for use in playing flamenco, you know? like...i really don't know what to compare it to, but my last post was worded properly. it should have said "i'm more interested in learning HOW to strum, than learning what to strum." if that makes any sense at all...

no it doesn't make sense, how do you plan on learning a technique if you don't learn some basic repetiore? that would be like a guitar player saying, "hey i want to learn violin technique, but i don't actually want to pick up a violin"

techniques are inherently associated with a style or styles. how can you possibly learn flamenco strumming without learning any flamenco?

well, okay, say you want to learn classical style fingerpicking. that doesn't necessarily mean you are going to use it to play classical music, you could take that technique and apply it to a different kind of music. thats what i'm intending to do. i don't necessarily want to learn flamenco music, but i want to learn the techniques in it. i spose your right, but i was just kind of looking for a way around it. maybe...

ps. andy shut the fuck up

was i not telling the truth? oyu dont like picks and you wanna strum real fast... that is all.

[J_Wyse]

Flamenco "Rasguado" as it is called is sort of an art in itself. I had some lessons with a Flamenco player many moons ago, and it was all enlightening compared to what I was doing.

To learn the technique you need to start very slow.
Curl up your hand, like making a fist. Extend each finger, pinky, ring, middle, index followed by a downstroke with the thumb, then an upstroke with the thumb while curling the fingers in again. repeat.
do it slow with even time between each movement.
Try it on your leg first till you begin to get the feel for it. then move to the guitar and do the same thing slowly.

As you begin to get it in your fingers, the more rapid
rasguados are more from the wrist striking down with
ring, middle, thumb, up with thumb in a very fluid motion. again start slow away from the guitar.
it's a down,down, up sequence beginning from the wrist. It takes a lot of practice to get it sounding fluid.
be patient and don't give up. Actualy learning some flamenco progressions will really help get the feel.
A Basic compas for Solea is Fmaj7 (Played on 1st 4 strings) Cmaj, Fmaj7, Emaj) It's a 12 beat round (3 beats per chord)

I do agree the best way to learn a technique is to learn it in it's original context, then port it over to your other music. You'll learn it faster, and it'll be more solid. Hey you might actually catch the Flamenco bug!!

Let me know if this helps at all, I've never taught the technique. I can probably post some examples too.

Jim

[mangold]

Flamenco "Rasguado" as it is called is sort of an art in itself. I had some lessons with a Flamenco player many moons ago, and it was all enlightening compared to what I was doing.

To learn the technique you need to start very slow.
Curl up your hand, like making a fist. Extend each finger, pinky, ring, middle, index followed by a downstroke with the thumb, then an upstroke with the thumb while curling the fingers in again. repeat.
do it slow with even time between each movement.
Try it on your leg first till you begin to get the feel for it. then move to the guitar and do the same thing slowly.

As you begin to get it in your fingers, the more rapid
rasguados are more from the wrist striking down with
ring, middle, thumb, up with thumb in a very fluid motion. again start slow away from the guitar.
it's a down,down, up sequence beginning from the wrist. It takes a lot of practice to get it sounding fluid.
be patient and don't give up. Actualy learning some flamenco progressions will really help get the feel.
A Basic compas for Solea is Fmaj7 (Played on 1st 4 strings) Cmaj, Fmaj7, Emaj) It's a 12 beat round (3 beats per chord)

I do agree the best way to learn a technique is to learn it in it's original context, then port it over to your other music. You'll learn it faster, and it'll be more solid. Hey you might actually catch the Flamenco bug!!


Let me know if this helps at all, I've never taught the technique. I can probably post some examples too.

Jim

that helps jim, thanks

[JazzBassist114]

well, okay, say you want to learn classical style fingerpicking. that doesn't necessarily mean you are going to use it to play classical music, you could take that technique and apply it to a different kind of music. thats what i'm intending to do. i don't necessarily want to learn flamenco music, but i want to learn the techniques in it. i spose your right, but i was just kind of looking for a way around it. maybe...

no, there is no maybe about it.

yes you can apply the technique to another style of music, but you have to learn the actual technique first, and to do so, you have to learn the style. learn the style and by doing so you will learn the technique, THEN apply it to other styles

oh...okay. i thought i could just, i dunno, skip ahead and learn. like..learning to tackle without actually playing football. i'll give that a shot. thanks jack.

ps...andy, shut the fuck up

[JazzBassist114]

Flamenco "Rasguado" as it is called is sort of an art in itself. I had some lessons with a Flamenco player many moons ago, and it was all enlightening compared to what I was doing.

To learn the technique you need to start very slow.
Curl up your hand, like making a fist. Extend each finger, pinky, ring, middle, index followed by a downstroke with the thumb, then an upstroke with the thumb while curling the fingers in again. repeat.
do it slow with even time between each movement.
Try it on your leg first till you begin to get the feel for it. then move to the guitar and do the same thing slowly.

As you begin to get it in your fingers, the more rapid
rasguados are more from the wrist striking down with
ring, middle, thumb, up with thumb in a very fluid motion. again start slow away from the guitar.
it's a down,down, up sequence beginning from the wrist. It takes a lot of practice to get it sounding fluid.
be patient and don't give up. Actualy learning some flamenco progressions will really help get the feel.
A Basic compas for Solea is Fmaj7 (Played on 1st 4 strings) Cmaj, Fmaj7, Emaj) It's a 12 beat round (3 beats per chord)

I do agree the best way to learn a technique is to learn it in it's original context, then port it over to your other music. You'll learn it faster, and it'll be more solid. Hey you might actually catch the Flamenco bug!!

Let me know if this helps at all, I've never taught the technique. I can probably post some examples too.

Jim

awesome...thanks man. if you could post the examples, or even some videos, i'd be appreciative...thanks again

ps...sorry bout the double post...

pps...andy shut the fuck up.

[mangold]

wow, youre a good insulterer