Chord Construction/Modes

[gumbomadness]

Okay, Im in the process of learning this, and i have a teacher, but i dont have lessons until tuesday so ive got some questions.
first, let me tell you what i DO know.

I know how to make, Major, Minor, 7th, Major 7th, Minor 7th, Augmented, Diminished, Major 6th, and 9th chords..
but i dont know about 13s and such.

Anyway,
ive been working with Modes and i notice that they all have particular sounds and flavors. Like, Ionian is very happy and normal, and that Dorian is very jazzy and.. anyway.

My question is, which chords go with which modes? (well)

I know which fit Ionian, and i know that in Dorian, Minor 7th and Minor 9ths work well...

and i know in Lydian, Major 7ths work well (but thats all i know),
and mixolydian Dom 7ths, and Dom 9ths work well, but what about the rest?

And when do the 11ths and 13ths come in?

So.. nutshell:
What chords work for Aeolian, Lydian, and Locrian modes?
And if you tell me which chords work, and they arent part of the list of chords i know how to make (meaning, knowing which scale degree to flatten or sharpen or add or remove or replace (sus) ) could you tell me how to make that chord? I dont know when to use 11 or 13 chords AT ALL, and i dont even know what flavor they seem to be.

Any help appreciated.
...oh this thread will get no responses.

[MWR]

If you know how to make 7ths and 9ths you know how to make 11ths and 13ths. Each succesive chord builds onto the one before it. So an 11th is a 9th with an 11th added.
True 13ths are a compromise on the guitar because they contain 7 notes and you can obviously only play a maximum of 6. Generally you would leave out the 5th.

Btw there's a sticky regarding modes. If you want me to explain this more in depth I'll do so in that thread.

[gumbomadness]

If you know how to make 7ths and 9ths you know how to make 11ths and 13ths. Each succesive chord builds onto the one before it. So an 11th is a 9th with an 11th added.
True 13ths are a compromise on the guitar because they contain 7 notes and you can obviously only play a maximum of 6. Generally you would leave out the 5th.

Btw there's a sticky regarding modes. If you want me to explain this more in depth I'll do so in that thread.

Ooo, i just add them. alright then, ya explain more in the thread that would be grand! 8)

[fatjack]

If you know how to make 7ths and 9ths you know how to make 11ths and 13ths. Each succesive chord builds onto the one before it. So an 11th is a 9th with an 11th added.
True 13ths are a compromise on the guitar because they contain 7 notes and you can obviously only play a maximum of 6. Generally you would leave out the 5th.

Btw there's a sticky regarding modes. If you want me to explain this more in depth I'll do so in that thread.

actually, the 11th is traditionally the one that is dropped first. but the fifth is usually dropped as well considering that there are very few do-able formations for all six strings for any quality 13th chord

[fatjack]

Okay, Im in the process of learning this, and i have a teacher, but i dont have lessons until tuesday so ive got some questions.
first, let me tell you what i DO know.

I know how to make, Major, Minor, 7th, Major 7th, Minor 7th, Augmented, Diminished, Major 6th, and 9th chords..
but i dont know about 13s and such.

Anyway,
ive been working with Modes and i notice that they all have particular sounds and flavors. Like, Ionian is very happy and normal, and that Dorian is very jazzy and.. anyway.

My question is, which chords go with which modes? (well)

I know which fit Ionian, and i know that in Dorian, Minor 7th and Minor 9ths work well...

and i know in Lydian, Major 7ths work well (but thats all i know),
and mixolydian Dom 7ths, and Dom 9ths work well, but what about the rest?

And when do the 11ths and 13ths come in?

So.. nutshell:
What chords work for Aeolian, Lydian, and Locrian modes?
And if you tell me which chords work, and they arent part of the list of chords i know how to make (meaning, knowing which scale degree to flatten or sharpen or add or remove or replace (sus) ) could you tell me how to make that chord? I dont know when to use 11 or 13 chords AT ALL, and i dont even know what flavor they seem to be.

Any help appreciated.
...oh this thread will get no responses.

the trick is to really know what notes are in the key and how each mode relates to the other

for instance: The notes of the C major scale create seven different modes.
C Ionian (which is just the C major scale)
D Dorian
E Phrygian
F Lydian
G Mixolydian
A Aeolian
B Locrian

I'm assuming you know the diatonic order of chords for a major scale? i.e.

I ii iii IV V vi vii(dim)

so in C major that would be:

C Dm Em F G Am Bdim

and with sevenths:

Cmaj7 Dm7 Em7 Fmaj7 G7 Am7 Bm7b5

now, if you know that C Ionian and D Dorian have the same notes, then they have the same order of chords as well just shifted down one. so the chords for the Dorian mode are:

i ii III IV v vi(dim) VII

do you see what i mean?

now as for knowing which extension to flat or sharp, you really have to think about the notes in the mode.

for instance, in C Ionian, the seventh chord of the third degree is Em7. if you wanted to make it a ninth chord, it couldn't just be Em9. why? because the 9th of E is F# (which is not in the mode). you have to flat the 9 and make it an F natural to keep it within the mode. so the chord would be Em7b9 (which is an ugly chord by the way)

[gumbomadness]

Ahhh i see. thatsnice. but wait, why shifted one down? you lost me there. i knew thediatonic order and all that.

[fatjack]

Ahhh i see. thatsnice. but wait, why shifted one down? you lost me there. i knew thediatonic order and all that.

well, think about it, they have all the same notes right?

C D E F G A B
D E F G A B C

the chords remain the same, just in a different order

Cmaj7 Dm7 Em7 Fmaj7 G7 Am7 Bm7b5

Dm7 Em7 Fmaj7 G7 Am7 Bm7b5 Cmaj7

this also applies to all other modes the are derived from the same major scale

[thejoe]

im a visual learner, so...

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C D E F G A B
  D E F G A B C

starts on teh second note, ends on the first

[DMBFan63]

If you know how to make 7ths and 9ths you know how to make 11ths and 13ths. Each succesive chord builds onto the one before it. So an 11th is a 9th with an 11th added.
True 13ths are a compromise on the guitar because they contain 7 notes and you can obviously only play a maximum of 6. Generally you would leave out the 5th.

Btw there's a sticky regarding modes. If you want me to explain this more in depth I'll do so in that thread.

I remember learning 11 and 13 chords in theory.. they're pretty easy.

I don't have any idea what chords go with what modes, but whatever chord fits into the mode would probably be right

We're into 4 part writing in theory now, and I hate it.

[Pickles]

If you know how to make 7ths and 9ths you know how to make 11ths and 13ths. Each succesive chord builds onto the one before it. So an 11th is a 9th with an 11th added.
True 13ths are a compromise on the guitar because they contain 7 notes and you can obviously only play a maximum of 6. Generally you would leave out the 5th.

Btw there's a sticky regarding modes. If you want me to explain this more in depth I'll do so in that thread.

I remember learning 11 and 13 chords in theory.. they're pretty easy.

I don't have any idea what chords go with what modes, but whatever chord fits into the mode would probably be right

We're into 4 part writing in theory now, and I hate it.

yeah, that stuff blows

[gumbomadness]

im a visual learner, so...

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C D E F G A B
  D E F G A B C

starts on teh second note, ends on the first

oh! ha. i feel stupid.

[MWR]

If you know how to make 7ths and 9ths you know how to make 11ths and 13ths. Each succesive chord builds onto the one before it. So an 11th is a 9th with an 11th added.
True 13ths are a compromise on the guitar because they contain 7 notes and you can obviously only play a maximum of 6. Generally you would leave out the 5th.

Btw there's a sticky regarding modes. If you want me to explain this more in depth I'll do so in that thread.

actually, the 11th is traditionally the one that is dropped first. but the fifth is usually dropped as well considering that there are very few do-able formations for all six strings for any quality 13th chord

THat was more of a blanket statement in regards to all those extended voicings that can be a bitch to finger. I like add11ths but most of those extended dominant chords kinda sound poopy to me, on the guitar at least.

[fatjack]

If you know how to make 7ths and 9ths you know how to make 11ths and 13ths. Each succesive chord builds onto the one before it. So an 11th is a 9th with an 11th added.
True 13ths are a compromise on the guitar because they contain 7 notes and you can obviously only play a maximum of 6. Generally you would leave out the 5th.

Btw there's a sticky regarding modes. If you want me to explain this more in depth I'll do so in that thread.

actually, the 11th is traditionally the one that is dropped first. but the fifth is usually dropped as well considering that there are very few do-able formations for all six strings for any quality 13th chord

THat was more of a blanket statement in regards to all those extended voicings that can be a bitch to finger. I like add11ths but most of those extended dominant chords kinda sound poopy to me, on the guitar at least.

i know what you mean, sounds much better on a piano. and an 11th chord will most usually sound like shit unless its a minor

[gumbomadness]

a minor? or "A" minor?

haha. just kidding!