best carter song?

onid41 · Unread post by **onid41** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:00 am

how are you forgetting JTR...hes amazing in it

Beauford33 · Unread post by **Beauford33** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:48 pm

trippin6strings wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Swe dmbfan wrote:that might be the most stupid post ever.
the conversation part?

If so, you show how much of an ignorant slut you are .
I think he meant the part about you downplaying carter, not sure if u meant to but thats the vibe i got. ive heard many of these older jazz drummers and im a big fan of buddy rich but as great as these guys are i'll never consider any other drummer better than carter, hes always ontop of his shit, putting every little thing in the right place, things most drummers never consider, and he can do it all in his sleep hehe...

do you play drums?

Now, its one thing to say that he is your favorite but another thing to say he is the best. please clarify whether or not you think that carter is BETTER then Rich.

So is saying something is not as hard as one would think...really be downplaying? I like to think of it as being realistic. Carter is my favorite drummer, by far. But God outh to shoot me on the spot if I say that he is better then a Roy Haynes, Elvin Jones, Max Roach, Denis Chambers, Billy Cohbman, Dave Weckl, Tony Williams, Vinny Caliouta, etc.

Have you ever heard Vinny Caliouta play? Or Billy Cohbam? Or maybe ven Dave Weckl? Ive Weckl and Cohbam (though, have live records of the others playing) and Im fairly sure they play just as busy as Carter, though, with a much more difficult music setting.

i am sam2 · Unread post by **i am sam2** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:28 pm

i have a question for you beau, what is the qualification for the best drummer? the guy who can compliment the song the best or the guy who can play the fastest, do the sickist solos and sweeest fills, and make everyone say wow? i honnestly dont know, because it seems like without that first thing, all the other stuff should be irrelevant...?

Beauford33 · Unread post by **Beauford33** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:07 pm

i am sam2 wrote:i have a question for you beau, what is the qualification for the best drummer? the guy who can compliment the song the best or the guy who can play the fastest, do the sickist solos and sweeest fills, and make everyone say wow? i honnestly dont know, because it seems like without that first thing, all the other stuff should be irrelevant...?

Im not trying to find the best drummer, but ther better drummer (not srue if that makes sense). Just about everything I know about drumming is souly from my teacher (who is one of my musical heros). Anyway, it is the musical setting and how the drummer reacts to compliment the song that I find makes the musician. Carter does very well in complimenting the song and in some parts, I feel the conversation between himself and the soloist. Though, I base my thoughts on the "best" drummers as the innovators. There are many, but Carter is not one of them. I hav said before, good musicians borrow ideas from other musicians. It is the best musicians that Steal that idea. There is nothing that Carter does that I find incredible unique knowing where he comes from musically. Not to downplay his ability, but it is the principle that he is just borrowing these ideas. Of course, these innovators had inspirations too, but they STOLE the ideas and made it there own, to the point where they just so unique, it is hard to trace something they do down any further for the sole reason that they are innovators. Obviously, you can find non-innovators being more successful and someitmes having more talent then their inspirations, but in Carters case, he does not have anything on say a Billy Cohbam or Steve Gadd (Cohbam the chops, and Gadd with the drum set and driving groove).

In Cohbams case, he came from listening to Tony Williams and Elvin Jones. But this was around the time that Hendrix was at his peak. He incorperated the be-bop jazz ideas into a Blues/rock setting and help make what we call fusion. Though it has changed and I will forever incorperate fusion with artist like Mahavishnu, Miles Davis (Filles De Killmajaro was when he and tony williams really turned the corer, along with Herbie Hancock), and Al Dimeola.

However, in all my bias I just see it as Carter is playing rock, all those who I have mentioned before are playing jazz/fusion. It takes more skill to play jazz then rock. In addition, these guys are the ones who have tribute concerts that are participated by other drummers. Firtst, I dont see Carter having a tribute concert, nor do I see him participating in one. Most notable is the Buddy Rich scholarship concert. They have them quite often, but they have the same GREAT drummers there. If Carter really was THAT great, then Im sure he would be at one or another, since Rich is one of his biggest influences. It would be an honor to picked for that, hasnt happened. Instead they pick some guys by the name of Dave Weckl, Vinnie Caliouta, Steve Gadd, etc. The guys who some of you seem to think Carter is better then.

(I didnt answer your question too well, I apologize.

serialwired · Unread post by **serialwired** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:20 pm

trippin6strings wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Swe dmbfan wrote:that might be the most stupid post ever.
the conversation part?

If so, you show how much of an ignorant slut you are .
I think he meant the part about you downplaying carter, not sure if u meant to but thats the vibe i got. ive heard many of these older jazz drummers and im a big fan of buddy rich but as great as these guys are i'll never consider any other drummer better than carter, hes always ontop of his shit, putting every little thing in the right place, things most drummers never consider, and he can do it all in his sleep hehe...

in his sleep? man, that's some freakin' talent. my favorite part in any of the dmb dvd's, and it makes me laugh everytime, is on listener supported during that awesome two step jam, carter is going off on a tangent, and still has the coordination to blow a bubble with his gum. it's a split second scene, but it's just freaking awesome!

i-am-me · Unread post by **i-am-me** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:38 pm

serialwired wrote:
trippin6strings wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Swe dmbfan wrote:that might be the most stupid post ever.
the conversation part?

If so, you show how much of an ignorant slut you are .
I think he meant the part about you downplaying carter, not sure if u meant to but thats the vibe i got. ive heard many of these older jazz drummers and im a big fan of buddy rich but as great as these guys are i'll never consider any other drummer better than carter, hes always ontop of his shit, putting every little thing in the right place, things most drummers never consider, and he can do it all in his sleep hehe...
in his sleep? man, that's some freakin' talent. my favorite part in any of the dmb dvd's, and it makes me laugh everytime, is on listener supported during that awesome two step jam, carter is going off on a tangent, and still has the coordination to blow a bubble with his gum. it's a split second scene, but it's just freaking awesome!

i know exactly which part you're talkinga bout, and i laugh every time.

i am sam2 · Unread post by **i am sam2** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:01 pm

yeah beau thanks for the response. but a joking question: yeah, how many drummers can blow a bubble while they go off on a tangent during a big concert?

serialwired · Unread post by **serialwired** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:10 pm

i am sam2 wrote:yeah beau thanks for the response. but a joking question: yeah, how many drummers can blow a bubble while they go off on a tangent during a big concert?

one!

acousticraven · Unread post by **acousticraven** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:24 pm

all i know is.. wouldn't be much of a band w/o Carter... quite honestly I haven't seen many drummers out there who can play like he does

serialwired · Unread post by **serialwired** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:32 pm

acousticraven wrote:all i know is.. wouldn't be much of a band w/o Carter... quite honestly I haven't seen many drummers out there who can play like he does

i think that is what it all comes down to. i think if there was any other drummer, the band wouldn't be as full. he is the heart of the band.

Davy28 · Unread post by **Davy28** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:12 pm

onid41 wrote:how are you forgetting JTR...hes amazing in it

Oh yeah, another one of his high-hat wonders. I forgot about that. Too bad stefan admitted that the band hates to play the saong.

trippin6strings · Unread post by **trippin6strings** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:53 pm

yea i didnt mean to say carter is the best of the best, just the best ive been exposed to. kinda like how tim is awsome but ive seen much better in small theatres n such. and yea as much as i love rich, id still say carter sounds better. rich is amazing but ive heard some stuff where he tries too hard to pull off some fast fills and long solos but between him and the big band, things kinda miss a beat, though they are always quick to comeback together. my point being is carter is solid, and i dont see borrowing ideas on drums like borrowing ideas on guitar. u drummers have all ur options laid out infront of you and i can see how that makes it really hard to sound original, but thats the thing, carters got that style and character that makes him original. I understand what ur saying about conversation though i think that applies more to drummers like fishman who dont know whats comming and its up to them to feel and see whats comming based on the rest of the band where its kinda obvious that a lot of dmbs jams these days are kinda pre set. and no i cannot drum, as much as ive been exposed to drumming through my brother and getting to jam on his set whenever i want, a car accident last year screwed my leg up real bad so that and my future in athletics were shot all in one day...

Swe dmbfan · Unread post by **Swe dmbfan** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:23 pm

i-am-me wrote:
serialwired wrote:
trippin6strings wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Swe dmbfan wrote:that might be the most stupid post ever.
the conversation part?

If so, you show how much of an ignorant slut you are .
I think he meant the part about you downplaying carter, not sure if u meant to but thats the vibe i got. ive heard many of these older jazz drummers and im a big fan of buddy rich but as great as these guys are i'll never consider any other drummer better than carter, hes always ontop of his shit, putting every little thing in the right place, things most drummers never consider, and he can do it all in his sleep hehe...
in his sleep? man, that's some freakin' talent. my favorite part in any of the dmb dvd's, and it makes me laugh everytime, is on listener supported during that awesome two step jam, carter is going off on a tangent, and still has the coordination to blow a bubble with his gum. it's a split second scene, but it's just freaking awesome!
i know exactly which part you're talkinga bout, and i laugh every time.

WAIT! i didn´t read BK´s post, i just saw that he posted it and put 1 and 1 together....

Beauford33 · Unread post by **Beauford33** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:53 pm

You guys just done seem to get it do you? Do you know where Carter gets that snare thing at the end of two step? Where he got his hi hat ideas? of course not. You do not seem to grasp the idea that Carter is an exact, and I mean exact copy of Steve Gadd meets Billy Cohbam (which technically means Dennis Chambers as well). Every little fill he does, every groove he does, I have heard from those guys. Blowing bubble gujm, eh? How much thought do you think does it take to blow a bubble when he is doing 4 stroke roll that he does continuously each night (not saying that it is easy, but through consistency, Id say he has it down :roll:

) Im sure none of you have ever heard any of these guys that I have mentioned before. I know that you have never heard Cohbam or Chambers or Jones. Good God, you all drive me crazt.

trippin6strings · Unread post by **trippin6strings** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:06 pm

yea but if u ask me who is better, SRV or hendrix, im gonna say SRV even though he got so many of his ideas from Hendrix. like i said, drummers arent left with as many options as other musicians, uve got all ur options right infront of you and its up to you to put what needs to be where, and carter is the man at that, he fits perfectly. Its not like u can expect drummers today to be able to play things that the greats of yesterday couldnt, its all been done. but like i said before i havent heard some of these guys uve mentioned so i cant say much. and yea i can imagine blowing a bubble in the middle of his madness is the least of his troubles back there

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