Taylors Online

[MWR]

what order through MF... been doin that a loooong time... and taylor gutiars are a gift from god.

I'm not denying that Taylors are great guitars. The fact is there are a bunch of smaller scale shops and private luthiers that make exceptional hand-made guitars for the same price or cheaper. Taylor cannot compete with this level of hands on guitar making and thus I think their guitars are overpriced.

i think its just the opposite... because of cheap labor and lowered prices on materials when bought in bulk large companies like Taylor and Martin are overpowering the smaller luthiers in america by offering a near equivalent product at a reduced price. The small luthiers will always make the best instruments but its becoming harder and harder for them to compete. Its kinda like walmart moving into secluded personal areas in places. The chairmaker in the town has always made the best and most elegant chairs, but you can get a folding chair at walmart for a nickel... they both let you sit... unless you're a chair enthusiast why pay the money? A strange analogy I know, but apt i believe. I am personally against corporations taking over everything and i believe that fine arts such as lutherie should be left to the people that have always wanted to do so, not some illegal alien who just got off the boat and took a week course on how to do his/her part of the guitarmaking process. Thats just my 2 cents!

edit: (glances left...) OMG that was my 666th post...

Perhaps you didn't read the part where I said "for less or cheaper". For being a "mass" produced product their guitars are way overpriced.

i agree, but compared to "true" handmade luthiers where its the same person working on your guitar the whole way through their guitars are cheaper (most of em atleast) You cant possibly argue that a handmade, quality guitar made by one person costs less than a Taylor (excepting limited editions) I believe most guitar companies overprice their guitars these days. the margin of profit is staggering when compared to other iindustries.

Yes I can. McIlroy, Northwood, Fylde to name a few.
Your thinking of botique luthiers like Ryan, McPherson, or Goodall.

I've never heard the expression system but I'm sure B-Band and LR Baggs are comparable considering the players who use them.

[mangold]

what order through MF... been doin that a loooong time... and taylor gutiars are a gift from god.

I'm not denying that Taylors are great guitars. The fact is there are a bunch of smaller scale shops and private luthiers that make exceptional hand-made guitars for the same price or cheaper. Taylor cannot compete with this level of hands on guitar making and thus I think their guitars are overpriced.

i think its just the opposite... because of cheap labor and lowered prices on materials when bought in bulk large companies like Taylor and Martin are overpowering the smaller luthiers in america by offering a near equivalent product at a reduced price. The small luthiers will always make the best instruments but its becoming harder and harder for them to compete. Its kinda like walmart moving into secluded personal areas in places. The chairmaker in the town has always made the best and most elegant chairs, but you can get a folding chair at walmart for a nickel... they both let you sit... unless you're a chair enthusiast why pay the money? A strange analogy I know, but apt i believe. I am personally against corporations taking over everything and i believe that fine arts such as lutherie should be left to the people that have always wanted to do so, not some illegal alien who just got off the boat and took a week course on how to do his/her part of the guitarmaking process. Thats just my 2 cents!

edit: (glances left...) OMG that was my 666th post...

Perhaps you didn't read the part where I said "for less or cheaper". For being a "mass" produced product their guitars are way overpriced.

i agree, but compared to "true" handmade luthiers where its the same person working on your guitar the whole way through their guitars are cheaper (most of em atleast) You cant possibly argue that a handmade, quality guitar made by one person costs less than a Taylor (excepting limited editions) I believe most guitar companies overprice their guitars these days. the margin of profit is staggering when compared to other iindustries.

Yes I can. McIlroy, Northwood, Fylde to name a few.
Your thinking of botique luthiers like Ryan, McPherson, or Goodall.

I've never heard the expression system but I'm sure B-Band and LR Baggs are comparable considering the players who use them.

see i was thinkin like 2 unlisted guys in some old school village that use nothing but handmade tools kinda luthier... i see what you're sayin now and i agree!

[DUS7IN]

Taylor and Martin as well as most big name companies are mainly concerned with repeatability of a product. Yes they produce a good product. Their products are quickly made with consistent quality. Where I believe that the process is inferior is that taylor will not take the time tap every top and back to check the ringing and adjust thickness of top back or bracing. They will simple put the pieces thru a machine to set specs. An individual luthier will try to get every bit of sound he can out of the instrument. Also because of the handmade process every handmade guitar is truly unique. A taylor is nothing special....just another taylor

[MWR]

Taylor and Martin as well as most big name companies are mainly concerned with repeatability of a product. Yes they produce a good product. Their products are quickly made with consistent quality. Where I believe that the process is inferior is that taylor will not take the time tap every top and back to check the ringing and adjust thickness of top back or bracing. They will simple put the pieces thru a machine to set specs. An individual luthier will try to get every bit of sound he can out of the instrument. Also because of the handmade process every handmade guitar is truly unique. A taylor is nothing special....just another taylor

My point exactly.