Question For The Firedancer86

duluoz · Unread post by **duluoz** » Fri May 16, 2003 10:19 pm

Hey, I've listened to some of your covers and I have a question concerning your angle on improvisation in these songs. When I improv over Dave stuff, I try to use some triads I can make on the fly. Do you do this too? Also, what kind of runs do you incorporate? I just want a little insight into your style, you know, from one guitarist to another.

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Sat May 17, 2003 8:50 am

well, to start with, (even though I know a whole lot just from fooling around and understanding the fret board) I don't know how to read music...I would say that I know no theory either, but that would be UNtrue...at least in a way...from playing so long, I have come to an understanding of theory as it is revealed to me by playing...as opposed to being taught it...I have picked up alot of stuff and can create, as well as play any chord I am told (<for example)...now, when it comes to improv, I pretty much feel it out and try to play what I hear coming up next...I saty in key by ear...I taught myself to play alot of Dave stuff (as well as Tim stuff) by ear...granted, Dave might have been playing it a little differently, but it was still the same chords...I view playing by ear more vital than knowing most anything else in the line of improv theory...but in other words, I know what I know from stumbling upon it while playing something new and drawling parallels..."hey, if I do that here (on the board), then it should work here"!...and..."if this is a seventh...then this will be a sixth"...etc... ...so, again, returning to your question...I don't really rely on thory in the sense that others may...I just try to "make it happen"...I could write more, but I fear that at this point I am noy the one you want to be asking about it...tell me if otherwise

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Sat May 17, 2003 8:50 pm

Just to echo what fire has said, having a good ear- and this is part natural gift and part effort- is really essential at all but the most technical and virtuosic levels of improvisation and soloing. and then even at those highest levels, a good ear is still the key; the theory merely sets certain parameters and borders for you to then toy with.

I have played piano since I was four and was classically trained, but with an emphasis on developing my ear as opposed to sight reading abilities. this is shunned by a lot of classical art music circles, but it suited my purposes perfectly, as I do a LOT more improv stuff than sight reading stuff. I've also done a TON of theory, both before and during college, and there are all sorts of great things you can learn, but at the same time, a lot of the advanced theory, depending on the musical arena you find yourself in, is little more than a bunch of bells and whistles.

Having pratical chord theory is essential, as is being familiar with and not afraid of the neck of the guitar. Some scale theory is great, but I personally don't know a bunch of scales on the guitar. I mean I can pick them out easily enough, but if you tell me to rattle off an F minor-harmonic scale in 11th position, you'll be waiting around a while to hear it

. But I can pick out a scale because of my ear. It just becomes a natural thing, instinctive, really. And that just takes time with music.

jsgksu · Unread post by **jsgksu** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:55 am

Hey fire, whos that ugly hemaphrodite in your avatar? j/k, but who the hell is that really?

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Sun May 18, 2003 2:30 pm

shut your mouth...have you no respect for the great Mike Rutherford from Genesis...I mean c'mon...the guy plays BASS, but also plays the guitar on alot of their albums...the guitar he is holding is a Bass 5 string...with a 12 string electric built for the top neck of the double guitar to play live...the guy is awesome and a genius...

The Man of The Hour · Unread post by **The Man of The Hour** » Mon May 19, 2003 4:14 pm

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Mon May 19, 2003 4:22 pm

The Man of The Hour wrote:Amen

YOU LIKE GENESIS (*instant friend for life*) :shock:

but seriously...you are into Genesis?

DustyDave · Unread post by **DustyDave** » Mon May 19, 2003 4:25 pm

firedancer86 wrote:
The Man of The Hour wrote:Amen
YOU LIKE GENESIS (*instant friend for life*)

but seriously...you are into Genesis?

Genesis is classic , how can you not love them ? I might not remember the names of the songs , but my brother was a big fan and i fell into it

i love listening

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Mon May 19, 2003 8:28 pm

Cool...but wait a second...are we talking about the 70's Genesis (prog rock to the core - Musical Box, Dance On A Valcano, Squonk, The Battle of Epping Forest), or are you talking about "Invisible Touch"?

DustyDave · Unread post by **DustyDave** » Tue May 20, 2003 8:36 am

firedancer86 wrote:Cool...but wait a second...are we talking about the 70's Genesis (prog rock to the core - Musical Box, Dance On A Valcano, Squonk, The Battle of Epping Forest), or are you talking about "Invisible Touch"?

Both

i know Squonk and Musical box , both good tracks

I like Phil Collins too

haven't heard any of it for ages though , but i certainly don't hate it :lol:

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Tue May 20, 2003 2:39 pm

Squonk was with Phil

DustyDave · Unread post by **DustyDave** » Tue May 20, 2003 3:12 pm

firedancer86 wrote:Squonk was with Phil

Was it ? Well im not sure , it's been a while , i just recall the name lol :lol:

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