"I've this creeeeeeeeping, suspicion........"

[jkanter]

that things here are not what they "should be".

Alright, I have decided to ask all your opinions before I posted this tab change for The Stone.

It has come to my attention through watching multiple video's that it seems the tab should look like this

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Verse
E:----------------------------------------------------------------------
B:----------------------------------------------------------------------
G:-----2--------------------3-------------------2-----------------------
D:---------3---5-5--2-3-3---x---5-5--2-3-2---------------3--0--2--------
A:-5------------------------1----------------5-----3--1-----------3--0--
E:--------------------------3-------------------------------------------
   4   1   2   4 4  1 2 2       4 4   1 2 1  4  1  2  1  4     2  3

The change there would be that the note right before the Gm chord is NOT the 2 that he goes back to in most cases.

Now this may be a little thing and before you reply saying that is shouldn't be that way, take a look at a video of Dave playing it and then listen closely. It seems to me that Dave does NOT pick up his 2nd finger when before the Gm chord. My main reasoning behind this is Charlie Rose and Benoyara but I think I hear what I'm talking about any time I hear Dave play the song. Anyway, please take a look at video's and listen closely to any Dave solo or D&T version of the song. I need all your help on this one. Thanks again guys.......PEACE

Edit: Check out the 23rd second of the KFOG Radio Statioin version of the stone(arond there depending on the video you have)

Edit2: that 2nd 3 might not even need to be there depending on what he plays, I think....lemme know

[jsgksu]

It might just be because Im so used to the other way but it doesnt sound right to me. Especially when I played that part just over and over like the intro without going into the Gm chord. Or are you saying he only does that on the part right before the Gm chord and not in the intro? Anyway if you have watched it and thats what you see/hear I guess you should make the change.

[jkanter]

It might just be because Im so used to the other way but it doesnt sound right to me. Especially when I played that part just over and over like the intro without going into the Gm chord. Or are you saying he only does that on the part right before the Gm chord and not in the intro? Anyway if you have watched it and thats what you see/hear I guess you should make the change.

ONLY does it before the Gm chord. Every other time he DEF hits the 2. I edited it a second time....He might not even play anything after that first 3.....lemme know

[DustyDave]

I'll test it out a little later today and let ya know

[Pickles]

i dont think it sounds right the new way, maybe it doesnt look like dave picks up his finger, but it sure sounds like he does. im looking at the charlie rose show and it doesnt look like he moves it, but maybe he moves it such a miniscule (spelling?) amount that its impossible to notice.

[Speenis]

Personally, I think it sounds better the original way, but with a mute on the d string after the 232, then another mute on the a string before you go back into the 5. Does that make any sense???? Anyone else play it like that???

[billywestom]

I have to agree with you all. Even if a few times it may LOOK like he plays that, it most definitely sounds like he plays it the original way. I watched the Charlie Rose version, and payed close attention to the part you are talking about. I think he does "stutter" (?) those two fingers to hit those notes. Check out his middle finger, and you can see it move very quickly, letting it up to hit the 2. It seems to me that his fingers are moving to much to be just playing that one note twice. If it were me, I would definitely not change it.

[jkanter]

AHHHHHHH...I am so freaking torn you have NO IDEA. In all honesty, I am leaning towards changing it but NOT towards the tab above. I am changing it to remove that note entirely. I personally feel that he plays only 5-5-2-3-Gm. I can say this becuase EVERY SINGLE VIDEO of dave playing the song...not ONE time do I ever see him pull up his 2nd finger. All I see is him put his second finger down....then move his entire hand to the Gm chord.

Take a look at the intro and the other half of the verse. It is PERFECTLY clear that he pulls up his 2nd finger to his that 2-3-2. Not one video shows the 2 getting hit before the Gm and honestly....every single time he plays that part he is singing so hearing it is extremely hard. I have the KFOG video and I think I can clearly hear just the 2-3-Gm being played.

I am not saying that I am changing anything yet.....but honestly, I do not have a single video to go along with the 2-3-2-Gm theory.

OK.....as I was typing this I decided, what better way to see this than to see if I can check out LISTENER SUPPORTED. Go to the 21:50 mark of the entire video and watch. They do an EXTREME close up on ONLY THAT HAND during the EXACT part I am talking about. Not once does he pick his finger up. The same goes for the rest of the song from watching it on the DVD. PLease check this out and listen to the guitar and let me know. There may be a mute thrown in there but I think that's only beucase he's going from the 2-3-Gm and continually strums.

Anyway, let me know all....CHECK OUT LISTENER SUPPORTED.....peace

Proposed new tab

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Verse
E:-------------------------------------------------------------------
B:-------------------------------------------------------------------
G:-----2-----------------3-------------------2-----------------------
D:---------3---5-5--2-3--x---5-5--2-3-2---------------3--0--2--------
A:-5---------------------1----------------5-----3--1-----------3--0--
E:-----------------------3-------------------------------------------
   4   1   2   4 4  1 2      4 4   1 2 1  4  1  2  1  4     2  3

[billywestom]

I don't have that DVD, but I am more than willing to take your expert word for it . If it is that apparent, then change it. There definitely would have to be a mute or something in there.

Actually, I am now watching the KFOG video, and on the second time he plays that part ("suspicion that things here...") you can see a very close shot, and I have to say he doesn't lift that finger. And as I listen, I really CAN'T hear that note, but if I imagine it, it is almost like I can hear it. I think I am leaning towards your idea. But it seems different on the Charlie Rose video. If I had to decide between your two ideas, I would say take out that note and add a mute, just so people can understand the timing and don't get confused. But, that extra 3 doesn't sound bad. Ultimately I would also say to change it.

EDIT: Now I am watching the Benaroya Hall version. It's very hard to see, but a lot easier to hear the notes. I think I do hear a double 3 on this one. It's all about your call!

EDIT #2: Maybe he is trying to play it the original way, but just doesn't hit the note every time. So throughout a song he could play it all three ways...Just a thought.

[billywestom]

I wanted to make this a whole new post so you would make sure to read it.

Listen to Dave's guitar on the Benaroya Hall DVD right after the first and second chorus and transition (about 6:54 and 7:43) I am positive that he plays a double 3. Listen carefully throughout the song and you can hear it more times than not. I would say change it to that.

Man I was totally turned around in about 3 minutes flat

[jkanter]

And as I listen, I really CAN'T hear that note, but if I imagine it, it is almost like I can hear it.

I feel like this sums up a lot of people's feeling on it. We've all be brainwashed(by no means in a bad way....if anyone's to blame it's me!!!) that the extra 2 should be there. If I had to take a guess, I would say it is either 2-3-3-Gm or just 2-3-Gm. I would say this because I have never seen him pick up that 2nd finger. As for the Charlie Rose. I think that that one looks different becuase instead of keeping his 3rd finger up and waving....he brings it down lower over the fretboard. Even with that low finger it still seems that he doesn't take it off onto the 2. The best shot of this is a CLEAR DVD QUALITY shot from Listener Supported at 21:54 or so. If anyone has that and can help clarify....it might be good.

Basically, if anything....the 2-3-3-Gm works best to keep the strumming normal, but to also work with a video. I might put the 3 in quotes so that I can say it is played sometimes. Anyway, later all

[DustyDave]

I got the Listener Supported , im gonna slam it in right now and take notes lol brb

[jsgksu]

I got the Listener Supported , im gonna slam it in right now and take notes lol brb

Yeah Im gonna look after I get done mowing the lawn (I swear Ill do it eventually) and Ill let you know what I think.

[DustyDave]

To me it looks like its 2-3-2 , check out 21:30 it looks like he lifts up that finger , but at 21:54 it sure looks like he stay on 2-3-3 hmm wierd

[jkanter]

To me it looks like its 2-3-2 , check out 21:30 it looks like he lifts up that finger , but at 21:54 it sure looks like he stay on 2-3-3 hmm wierd

Actually....if you look closer at 21:30....he doesn't pull off. It's hard to see from that angle becuase of the distance but he clearly holds it on and then pulls his entire hand off to go to the Gm. Listen to the note also...you can fully hear a 2-3...no 2-3-2.......that's my opinion anyway. I think I am going to change it to 2-3-(3)-Gm but I want the rest of your all opinion's