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Unread post by two steps too many » Thu May 15, 2003 3:53 pm

it's all good, i think it's good to have different opinions....this just happens to be one of those subjects that will allways have both sides dueling to the death...either way it's good to hear from both sides IMHO

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Unread post by DmbFanJason » Thu May 15, 2003 3:58 pm

two steps too many wrote:
DustyDave wrote:[quote="VTDreaminwithDMB

And about people who smoke / drink running corporate business's , sure i don't really see a problem in that either , as long as they get the job done .. Now where i have something really against it , is if they are responsible to peoples lives and they don't have control over anything , like bus drivers , taxi drivers , ----PILOTS---- , navigators , stuff like that ....
I am a pilot and I smoke regularly....and to make you feel more secure, about 50% of pilots like to smoke weed. As long as you don't let it interfere with what you need to do, and as soon as it does, do something about it. It affects everyone differently, for me I would never fly stonned with passengers, but when I do fly and am not stonned, I am 100%. It's all about self controll and knowing when it is affecting you in a negative way, and then knowing what to do about it.

Anyways, point is I like to smoke weed fly airplanes, and play guitar and will continue to do so till I choose otherwise[/quote]

hey, uh, what airline do you fly for?

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Unread post by DmbFanJason » Thu May 15, 2003 4:14 pm

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DmbFanJason wrote:the reason I said that was because it was pretty stupid and ridiculous...but go ahead and smoke out cool guy....and see which direction your condition goes...to me, people that smoke out are losers
I usually stay out of these conversations for a bunch of different reasons but this one has caught my eye. I LOVE POT. Period, end of story. I smoke pot for ONE reason only, becuase I like it. I don't smoke it to be cool or because other people are doing it. I enjoy the feeling of being high. Oh yeah, and I can play songs just as good high as sober. That's for damn sure. It's all about knowing the song.

I can sit down, smoke a bowl....not get beligerany and chill. I am perfectly capable of going out and doing errands.....whether it be shopping for food(always fun high...ha) or going to the mall. I can do anything high that I can do sober. Some things obviously aren't meant to be done under the influence of any drug(alcohol or pot), but I can say for SURE that I am 100% capable of doing A THOUSAND more things high than I am drunk.

You make generalizations about something and it gets you nowhere. All it does is prove that you don't have an open mind. Why do you say all people who smoke pot are losers??? Is there a reasoning behind it? No, it's jsut becuase you don't like it. I personally don't do coke and have never tried it. I think it's disguisting and snorting anything is just not my thing, but I know a bunch of people that do do it. Do I care??? NO, I don't care what anyone else does. It doesn't affect me. Unless they are close to me, then go ahead and do whatever the hell you like.
DMBFanJason wrote:yea look at what all those years of smokin did to Dave: lilly-whites...getting worse...everyday....hit rock bottom...enough said...
That could have been one of the most belligerant(sp?) comments I have ever heard. You love Dave and ONLY his old stuff??? That's ridiculous. I mean, clearly it's your decision what you like and what not, but why that nature you don't like some of Dave's best musical pieces.....You Never Know & Stay or Leave. While you may not think they are as amazing as older stuff....the guitar work is more intricate and the lyrics are amazing. You say lyrics mean nothing to you and that's your choice.....but I can tell you for a fact....a great guitar riff doesn't hold anything without lyrics. I know this because I can't sing and regardless of the riff I am playing for people, it gets old when it's just a riff or a song w/o words.

Now, as for your statement of let's see where it gets you and pot makes you stupid. I go to college, pass my classes, and run a website that has at most 4,500 people a day go to it. I have had an internship working for a MAJOR investment bank in New York City......writing computer code for the past 2 summers. Oh yeah, January 2002 they re-hired me as a consultant for 3 weeks during my winter break. I have this internship again this summer and should be offered a job making A VERY, VERY NICE SALARY.....PLUS signing bonus. All this has been done while recreationally smoking pot(minus my 1yr drug testing stint). Am I stupid??? Am I a loser??? By your closed minded comments, I am.

OK...maybe I'm stupid, that's fine. How about Carl Sagan. He was a world-renowned Astrophysicist....AND ARDENT MARIJUANA SMOKER. Go search anything on him....brilliant. Oh yeah, that's not just a stoner talking here. He was thought to be brilliant before everyone even knew he was a stoner. It came out in his biography after he died. He wrote pro-pot articles under the name "Mr. X" Search and read about him...you'll find it.

Don't go making stupid comments like that. If you don't like pot, that's fine...but clearly you don't know the first thing about smoking pot.

If there was one statement that sums up this post, it would be this:
"It wasn't the thing to do because it was the thing to do......it was the thing to do because it got you high" -Willie Nelson, Half Baked
you're defending a drug?? you're the dumb one. I'm not saying that you are dumber than the next guy if you smoke weed and he doesnt....you AS AN INDIVIDUAL will become dumber as you smoke. you still may be smarter than some people and have all this potential in business or whatever it was your interest is in, but you dont even know how much smarter AS AN INDIVIDUAL you would be if you didnt smoke pot...things would be brighter for you for sure...maybe you'd be able to hear your guitar more too.

you are the moron for defending a drug. thats just dumb

a may not know as much as you in your little specialized field (computers?), but I sure as hell am smarter than you to know not to do drugs.

and as for your willie nelson quote...look how smart he was...you really come off as a frat boy...

and as far as the new songs being more intricate and the lyrics are amazing, thats evidence enough that you're a pothead...ha...well, the older stuff is way harder to "get down", if you know what that means...late

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Unread post by w0odman » Thu May 15, 2003 5:11 pm

that's going a bit far calling him a moron for smoking weed. And to say that you're smarter than he is for not smoking.....

did your school have some nazis come in and tell you how bad pot is? Why such hatred? If you don't like it fine, but be mature about it and stop the name calling and shit.
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Unread post by DustyDave » Thu May 15, 2003 5:16 pm

w0odman wrote:that's going a bit far calling him a moron for smoking weed. And to say that you're smarter than he is for not smoking.....

did your school have some nazis come in and tell you how bad pot is? Why such hatred? If you don't like it fine, but be mature about it and stop the name calling and shit.
Jason in a nutshell :lol: i don't like the name callings either ....

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Unread post by DT » Thu May 15, 2003 6:39 pm

I hope Jason remembers how bad drugs are the next time he has a sip of beer, or a cup of coffee, or a can of coke, or inhales second hand smoke, or has a headache and takes an asprin.... We're a self-medicating society, and opinions are based on what drugs the government says is an ok drug, or not an ok drug... MJ is a listed Schedule 1 drug, with no accepted medical use.... bullshit. Jason is a nice by-product of the propaganda machine that is the US drug war, as are a large portion of americans, its really sad :cry:

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Unread post by two steps too many » Thu May 15, 2003 7:45 pm

The Dreaming Tree wrote:I hope Jason remembers how bad drugs are the next time he has a sip of beer, or a cup of coffee, or a can of coke, or inhales second hand smoke, or has a headache and takes an asprin.... We're a self-medicating society, and opinions are based on what drugs the government says is an ok drug, or not an ok drug... MJ is a listed Schedule 1 drug, with no accepted medical use.... bullshit. Jason is a nice by-product of the propaganda machine that is the US drug war, as are a large portion of americans, its really sad :cry:
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Unread post by DmbFanJason » Thu May 15, 2003 7:56 pm

so what airlines do you fly for two steps?

you're a fuckin pathetic individual if you are flying planes and still smoking weed, even if you dont smoke while flying...I hope you dont have any kids you fuckin loser, get your shit together and grow up.

and for the rest of you shmucks, I'm pretty drug free....I take a sip of beer once a month probably...I am not for ANY drugs that put you in a lower state of awareness...I like the feeling of being aware of what the hell is going on...I dont need anything else, I feel sorry for your asses.

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Unread post by QuattroDore » Thu May 15, 2003 10:16 pm

Jason, can you PLEASE explain why you would hate someone for smoking in a complete party atmosphere, harming noone, using his own God-given free will, to do something that makes him happy?


Were you ever wronged by someone who was high? Seriously. Because the vitriol spewing from you shows alot of hate that even the peppiest High School "Go team, rah, rah! I get high on life" honor student would be embarassed to show.

I know, I know. I'm a fucking moron and you feel sorry for my loser ass. Fuck me.
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Unread post by ticohans » Thu May 15, 2003 10:47 pm

Hey Jason, just in case you didn't know, alcohol does in fact "put you in a lower state of awareness," to use your own words.

Again, I don't smoke marijuana, but I know lots of people that do. And some of them are your stereotypical moron potheads. But some of them are absolutely brilliant people who are well aware of what they are doing, are not addicted, and suffer no observable ill effects.

In the quantities that they are consumed, regular cigarettes and alcohol do far more damage to the human body than a single joint does. Marijuana does contain more cancer-causing agents than a cigarett, but you don't smoke 20 joints a day. Alcohol is far more dangerous because not only does it affect you, but it affects your judgement in such a way that you can become a danger to others. Marijuana doesn't do that.

And how do you reconcile your uninformed opinions about marijuana with your cult-worship of Dave? Because he's a huge stoner and he defends it. You feel the need to call people on these boards asses and morons and idiots for smoking, so I guess you idolize an asshole/moron/idiot.

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Unread post by ryopan » Thu May 15, 2003 11:30 pm

man, is anyone else feeling like we all need a big group hug here. i think we all like dave here and we all (most) play guitars regularly and enjoy music in general. cant we all just get along. in case yall cant tell, im kinda bein sarcastic there. thats the thing about reading writtin stuff, you cant always (ever) totally get your point across. and changing peoples minds is pretty much impossible. lets move on. please. 8)
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Unread post by God_Fearing_Man » Fri May 16, 2003 12:59 am

jkanter wrote:
DmbFanJason wrote:the reason I said that was because it was pretty stupid and ridiculous...but go ahead and smoke out cool guy....and see which direction your condition goes...to me, people that smoke out are losers
I usually stay out of these conversations for a bunch of different reasons but this one has caught my eye. I LOVE POT. Period, end of story. I smoke pot for ONE reason only, becuase I like it. I don't smoke it to be cool or because other people are doing it. I enjoy the feeling of being high. Oh yeah, and I can play songs just as good high as sober. That's for damn sure. It's all about knowing the song.

I can sit down, smoke a bowl....not get beligerany and chill. I am perfectly capable of going out and doing errands.....whether it be shopping for food(always fun high...ha) or going to the mall. I can do anything high that I can do sober. Some things obviously aren't meant to be done under the influence of any drug(alcohol or pot), but I can say for SURE that I am 100% capable of doing A THOUSAND more things high than I am drunk.

You make generalizations about something and it gets you nowhere. All it does is prove that you don't have an open mind. Why do you say all people who smoke pot are losers??? Is there a reasoning behind it? No, it's jsut becuase you don't like it. I personally don't do coke and have never tried it. I think it's disguisting and snorting anything is just not my thing, but I know a bunch of people that do do it. Do I care??? NO, I don't care what anyone else does. It doesn't affect me. Unless they are close to me, then go ahead and do whatever the hell you like.
DMBFanJason wrote:yea look at what all those years of smokin did to Dave: lilly-whites...getting worse...everyday....hit rock bottom...enough said...
That could have been one of the most belligerant(sp?) comments I have ever heard. You love Dave and ONLY his old stuff??? That's ridiculous. I mean, clearly it's your decision what you like and what not, but why that nature you don't like some of Dave's best musical pieces.....You Never Know & Stay or Leave. While you may not think they are as amazing as older stuff....the guitar work is more intricate and the lyrics are amazing. You say lyrics mean nothing to you and that's your choice.....but I can tell you for a fact....a great guitar riff doesn't hold anything without lyrics. I know this because I can't sing and regardless of the riff I am playing for people, it gets old when it's just a riff or a song w/o words.

Now, as for your statement of let's see where it gets you and pot makes you stupid. I go to college, pass my classes, and run a website that has at most 4,500 people a day go to it. I have had an internship working for a MAJOR investment bank in New York City......writing computer code for the past 2 summers. Oh yeah, January 2002 they re-hired me as a consultant for 3 weeks during my winter break. I have this internship again this summer and should be offered a job making A VERY, VERY NICE SALARY.....PLUS signing bonus. All this has been done while recreationally smoking pot(minus my 1yr drug testing stint). Am I stupid??? Am I a loser??? By your closed minded comments, I am.

OK...maybe I'm stupid, that's fine. How about Carl Sagan. He was a world-renowned Astrophysicist....AND ARDENT MARIJUANA SMOKER. Go search anything on him....brilliant. Oh yeah, that's not just a stoner talking here. He was thought to be brilliant before everyone even knew he was a stoner. It came out in his biography after he died. He wrote pro-pot articles under the name "Mr. X" Search and read about him...you'll find it.

Don't go making stupid comments like that. If you don't like pot, that's fine...but clearly you don't know the first thing about smoking pot.

If there was one statement that sums up this post, it would be this:
"It wasn't the thing to do because it was the thing to do......it was the thing to do because it got you high" -Willie Nelson, Half Baked
Dude, how high were you when you wrote this?

Fuck, someitmes I can't even get myself motivated enough to write that much for an essay... lol

See - weed has it's benefits! Like helping your concentration (although that is more of a shot-in-the-dark type thing.. Sometimes you win.. sometimes you lose.. I guess that's just life in a nutshell).

And Jason, man, you gotta chill out.

I used to smoke daily, sometimes bi-daily, sometimes more (yes it was bad, yes it was a drain on my wallet, yes I wasted a lot of time doing nothing during high school)... But nobody is "stupid" for defending marijuana, nobody is a "fucking idiot" for doing that drug. A lot of people do it because a lot of people enjoy it. Provided you don't go overboard (which I admit, I did, and that did influence me.. well, that and my girlfriend not liking it when I'm high all the time, to stop) it can be a lot of fun. The fact is, marijuana, in moderation, is less harmful than a cigarette - even less harmful than alcohol.

It has its drawbacks, and aside from personal preference/enjoyment there is no "pro" to it.

But god, all I see is you trashing the substance and the people that do it.

It's already been said, but why don't we criticize the smokers, drinkers, and pain-killer consumers of the world.

Let's condemn everybody for drinking Coca Cola, Pepsi and Coffee, and for taking Tylenol 3 after having their wisdom teeth removed.....
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Unread post by DustyDave » Fri May 16, 2003 6:46 am

ticohans wrote:And how do you reconcile your uninformed opinions about marijuana with your cult-worship of Dave? Because he's a huge stoner and he defends it. You feel the need to call people on these boards asses and morons and idiots for smoking, so I guess you idolize an asshole/moron/idiot.
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ryopan wrote:man, is anyone else feeling like we all need a big group hug here
Group hug :lol: Jason start talking nice to people , else you can't get in on the group hug thingy :roll: :lol:

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Unread post by VTDreaminwithDMB » Fri May 16, 2003 7:33 am

DmbFanJason wrote:so what airlines do you fly for two steps?

you're a fuckin pathetic individual if you are flying planes and still smoking weed, even if you dont smoke while flying...I hope you dont have any kids you fuckin loser, get your shit together and grow up.

and for the rest of you shmucks, I'm pretty drug free....I take a sip of beer once a month probably...I am not for ANY drugs that put you in a lower state of awareness...I like the feeling of being aware of what the hell is going on...I dont need anything else, I feel sorry for your asses.
I guess you're saying Dave is pathetic too ? There is nothing wrong with not doing it but try and be a little more open minded instead of being so ANAL about those that do smoke. Beer puts you in a lower state of awareness. Your so wound up you could put a piece of coal in your ass and shit a diamond.LMAO Maybe you need to smoke,or get a woman.or something before you go to your next Nazi meeting.

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Unread post by Ando » Fri May 16, 2003 9:40 am

Flying airplanes and smoking.... don't u get drug tested.. my aunt works for an airline and she can't even eat poppy seeds because it shows up as opium on a drug test..

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