Hardest Song?

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Unread post by Pickles » Tue Nov 12, 2002 4:54 pm

ive only been playing for about 4 months. ive been having a lot of trouble learning because of a few reasons: im teaching myself, im playing a 34 year old hofner 12 string (which is a great guitar, but its somewhat hard to play when just starting out), and the hardest part - first thing ive been learning to play is dave stuff. for me its all thats worth playing. ive been able to get some stuff (ie crash, tripping billies intro/chorus, all along the watchtower intro, maybe one or 2 more. cant really remember). so pretty much anything besides that is hard for me. its too bad the verse for tripping billies isnt as easy as the intro :(

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Unread post by gravedigger » Tue Nov 12, 2002 5:18 pm

damn, I can't imagine playing some of those songs on a 12 string :shock: why not pick up a little sixer somewhere - like maybe a seagull or an Ibanez. They're good guitars for the price. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a 12 string but for learning on, you should have a six string, in my opinion.

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Unread post by Pickles » Tue Nov 12, 2002 6:38 pm

theres only one song that gives me trouble on the 12 string that doesnt on a 6 - crash. im only 14 so my hands hopefully arent as big as they will be. it took me a while to get the stretch, but even now its hard to make it sound good on a 12 string. the other stuff is pretty easy - for dave stuff. i can imagine how hard the other stuff will be on 12 :shock:

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Unread post by gcom007 » Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:50 pm

not that I can sing them well, but I don't have a problem singing and playing any of his songs
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Unread post by gcom007 » Tue Nov 12, 2002 7:52 pm

shane wrote:ive only been playing for about 4 months. ive been having a lot of trouble learning because of a few reasons: im teaching myself, im playing a 34 year old hofner 12 string (which is a great guitar, but its somewhat hard to play when just starting out), and the hardest part - first thing ive been learning to play is dave stuff. for me its all thats worth playing. ive been able to get some stuff (ie crash, tripping billies intro/chorus, all along the watchtower intro, maybe one or 2 more. cant really remember). so pretty much anything besides that is hard for me. its too bad the verse for tripping billies isnt as easy as the intro :(
you'll thank yourself later, when you transfer to six it'll seem so easy and your fingers will have developed a lot more strengh then they would've playing the six, however, branch out past dave...dave is great stuff to learn on, it really is, but there's a whole world out there of music worth exploring
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Unread post by Pickles » Tue Nov 12, 2002 8:50 pm

theres some other stuff i might be interested in playing later (stuff like metallica), but i really need to get basics down first... like bar chords... i dont understand why but i cant often make a sound when i play them. i think my fingers are too weak, or maybe theyre messed up from me cracking them so much. any ideas on what i could do for those

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Unread post by gcom007 » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:36 pm

shane wrote:theres some other stuff i might be interested in playing later (stuff like metallica), but i really need to get basics down first... like bar chords... i dont understand why but i cant often make a sound when i play them. i think my fingers are too weak, or maybe theyre messed up from me cracking them so much. any ideas on what i could do for those
do yourself a favor and skip barre chords, basically they suck and they're frowned upon by the educated musical world in general. learn 4-note voicings and such instead. Go get yourself a chord book that has a lot of jazz stuff in it and go from there. here's an example though tabwise

3 X
3 3
4 4
5 5
5 X
3 3

the first is a laborious barre chord that makes your hand tired, doesn't sound very good, and it also puts your hand in a bad position to play other chords, whereas the second chord is the same however voiced in a 4-note voicing. 4-note voicings are found more in jazz, however they are not strictly for jazz in that they can be used anywhere and you can do a lot more with a chord like the second one than the first.
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Unread post by Pickles » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:45 pm

alright. anyway, im trying to find a new dave song to learn to play.. unless someone wants to tell me some really easy way to play a cool song (like so much to say - probably really hard on a 12 string). preferably some of the old stuff.. the stuff on everyday wasnt my favorite.. busted stuff/lillywhite sessions werent bad though

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Unread post by gcom007 » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:51 pm

shane wrote:alright. anyway, im trying to find a new dave song to learn to play.. unless someone wants to tell me some really easy way to play a cool song (like so much to say - probably really hard on a 12 string). preferably some of the old stuff.. the stuff on everyday wasnt my favorite.. busted stuff/lillywhite sessions werent bad though
song that jane likes
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Unread post by gcom007 » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:53 pm

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Unread post by gravedigger » Wed Nov 13, 2002 12:08 am

gcom,

would you use your thumb for the bass note on the 4 note voicing. John Mayer does eh? I don't use bar chords either anymore. I used to in the beginning 'cause I thought I had to, and I guess it was good to strengthen up my hand.

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Unread post by gcom007 » Wed Nov 13, 2002 12:10 am

gravedigger wrote:gcom,

would you use your thumb for the bass note on the 4 note voicing. John Mayer does eh?

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you're not supposed to, but I do occasionally, it depends on the progression I'm playing
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Unread post by cmcdmb » Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:20 am

well as some posters have touched on, its one thing to be able to play a song on guitar, its another to be able to sing while playing it. For instance, i can play WWYS pretty easily...but if i try to sing with it, no luck. The music and lyrics are so syncopated that it makes it hard. But songs where there is a constant rhythm are easier to song and play, like warehouse (the" i love to stay here" part gets hard cause its and offbeat rhythm) OSW, Satellite...stuff like that...are easy, or should i say, not as challenging

So strictly for playing:
Hardest songs in my opinion are:
Captain (or for a harder challenge: Crazy)
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Hardest to sing and play:
WWYS (verses)
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Unread post by MattyTrane » Sun Nov 24, 2002 1:16 am

The chorus for BOWA always throws me up but I dont really practice it much which is probably to blame

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Unread post by cope00015 » Mon Nov 25, 2002 4:34 pm

The hardest song is Dreams of our Fathers---I can't imagine ANYBODY being able to write words to go with that guitar part, except...well...Dave. the Stone would be second--its tricky but just takes a lot of practice with the rythym, as do so many of his songs.

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