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CheersDtoT · Unread post by **CheersDtoT** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:35 am

But only VERY rarely....very rarely.

CheersDtoT · Unread post by **CheersDtoT** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:40 am

I'm not here to get in an argument with you.... I'm just telling you in audio enginerring we base stuff on facts.... we are Scientist... plain and simple... but don't ever call me Icing on a FUCKEN cake... not when I bust my ASS for 15 hours Straight !!!!

Trippin Hillbilly · Unread post by **Trippin Hillbilly** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:16 am

CheersDtoT wrote:Just remember the sound you hear at ANY SHOW.... isn't the bad.... it's the Audio Engineers doing..... Dave fuckes notes up all the time.... and thats why he uses a VOCAL PROcessor!!

Really? How do you know that?
I had no idea that these things even existed.
I feel cheated..

geekmug · Unread post by **geekmug** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:21 am

I read through the equipment list that the crew provides, there is no such device being employed according to the list. They do exist, though, and are often used on studio recordings. There is however a vocal processor used, but it is one used for building the vocal thickness (like doubling or such) or even generating harmonies (a discriminate listener at a dave concert will notice more voices than there are people singing into mics at moments when the vocals are very dense).

CheersDtoT · Unread post by **CheersDtoT** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:21 am

Which is fine... because you have to realize that he's doing it so the show will sound better!!! Thats fine with me... I just want to hear a good show... to me thats ok. For his age Dave and the rest of the band can ROCK the house. Dave still hits some fucken CRAZY notes with out the V.P. That list that the crew gave is really great... but it doesn't list their Effect Pro... and Signal Pro. ... Pre's ... all of their outbaord and inborad gear.... none of it... I bet Dave uses a Sick Ass Presonus Mic PRE!

geekmug · Unread post by **geekmug** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:56 pm

I have to disagree, I believe everything they use is listed on the technical page.. I think the problem is that they list solely by manufacturer and model, which makes it difficult to identify what does what very easily, beyond that, they also don't have a signal path drawing available or anything, so there is some guess work involved in knowing what gets used on what (for instance, they use several different compressors and equalizers).

However, they clearly have "Aphex 1788 Remote Controlled Mic Preamp System" listed under the "Monitor Outboard Gear"

CheersDtoT · Unread post by **CheersDtoT** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:32 pm

I haven't looked at the crew page for awhile but after your post I looked again and your right they do list all their signal pro. and dymanic pro. You don't need a signal map because they have it listed.... outboard and inboard. Plus judging by which brandname it is you know what it is.... because they only want the best... and judging by their list they have some great stuff.... it really doesn't get any better than a Jim Gamble console for your FOH system !!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE THE BEST!!!! I'm also glad to see their using more digital boards!!! THANK THE GOODNESS OF THE LORD!!! I hate these oldtimers who think analog is the only way ..... I love analog and digital; they are both different....but just as good. They have a Yam. DM2000 for monitors .... I have spent ALOT of time of the DM2000.....not only one of the best.... but the BEST LOOKING.... geekmug have you ever worked on one before.....beautiful warm sound....I also love it's recording dym. My friend uses one for his FOH system.... but they are compatibly with ProTools which is another thing I LOVE! They do have an amazing set-up this year.... looks like their budget got alittle bigger.... JBL floaters.... and sidefills... their near kick.... the coolest thing is their input list....48 not bad... I would like to see their hard-ware list .... what kind of snakes they use... I would really love to see what splitter snake they use (prob. made it!). Because they put FOH out about 150-200 feet out.... don't they..... so any longer than that you have to power that AC signal.... or maybe they defie physics??? The cool thing about the Gamble consoles is they are so many inputs (pre's).... so you can softpatch everything.... I highly DOUBT they do that...but check those out. I know for a fact that the DM2000 doesn't have 48 pre's.... but they do have some sick mic pre's. They have many-a-boards which is really sick... they just network them on sub-snakes!!!! What a delicious mess!!! I really want to go to MArysville and listen to their new system..... I have never heard this one before. They don't show their lighting stuff

.....or maybe they do .. and I missed it !!! Until next time!

CheersDtoT · Unread post by **CheersDtoT** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:33 pm

never-mind.... they do have LIGHTING STUFF !!!!!!

CheersDtoT · Unread post by **CheersDtoT** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:48 pm

Nevermind they do show their snakes.... I was right they make them. Check those out too.... the sheilding looks really nice.... you could run those snakes right through the breaker room and get no flies.... hell yes !!

CheersDtoT · Unread post by **CheersDtoT** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:51 pm

Only 39inputs.... I thoguth it was 48.... I'm surprised it's not more

geekmug · Unread post by **geekmug** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:31 pm

I am not sure how much stuff they have changed out from last year.. I know they ran the same gamble board and such but I never paid attention to the outboard gear. The biggest change is those Vertec line-array loud speakers, which IMO don't sound as good as the old meyer point-source array. I can appreciate how much easier it is for them to rig and equalize the newer speakers, but that's not my problem :-D

And as for having messed with any of this type of equipment, sadly, I have never gotten to nor will I probably ever get to mess with equipment in this echelon of quality. The best live-sound equipment I have gotten to touch is on the peak of pro-sumer level. Like, say the Yamaha 01V96 board (being a step down from the the DM2000 that they use just to mix the monitor *sigh*)

everydayDMBfan_18 · Unread post by **everydayDMBfan_18** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:07 am

God...I'd love to work with their setup for just one day...ONE DAY!! lol..damn pretty shtuff

BlueWaters · Unread post by **BlueWaters** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:25 am

*erased*

MWR · Unread post by **MWR** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:47 am

BlueWaters wrote:
CheersDtoT wrote:I'm not here to get in an argument with you.... I'm just telling you in audio enginerring we base stuff on facts.... we are Scientist... plain and simple... but don't ever call me Icing on a FUCKEN cake... not when I bust my ASS for 15 hours Straight !!!!
I'm not a rude person normally, but I feel like someone has to say that you ARE icing on the cake. I think that's why it seems like you need to get your knowledge of audio engeneering out to the local board public. I mean, I don't think the "icing" comment was directed to you personally, but without the creators of the music, audio engeneering would be pretty pointless if you worked 30 hours straight. I mean, going along with the whole cake analogy, maybe bands like DMB get alot of help from the aud guys and all the crew, but I've had a hell of a time chilling with friends playing guitar and jamming all night long and I can tell you right now that there wasn't a guy standing behind everyone messing around with knobs and contemplating physics and all that stuff I really don't care about, but will pay someone like you to do for the icing. That's about all I have to say about that...peace to all the scientists, but I'm an artist and the cake, and personally, I never really liked icing anyway...

P.S.-Good luck with the 'Most Posts in One Day' record and the 'Most Consecutive Posts with No One Else Around' record...

Don't scare him away. He seems to have 10x the amount of knowledge as the next guy around here.

All in all I'd say producers and engineers don't get the recognition and respect they should. It's a very difficult job that is as much art as it is science.

Trippin Hillbilly · Unread post by **Trippin Hillbilly** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:24 am

MWR wrote:
BlueWaters wrote:
CheersDtoT wrote:I'm not here to get in an argument with you.... I'm just telling you in audio enginerring we base stuff on facts.... we are Scientist... plain and simple... but don't ever call me Icing on a FUCKEN cake... not when I bust my ASS for 15 hours Straight !!!!
I'm not a rude person normally, but I feel like someone has to say that you ARE icing on the cake. I think that's why it seems like you need to get your knowledge of audio engeneering out to the local board public. I mean, I don't think the "icing" comment was directed to you personally, but without the creators of the music, audio engeneering would be pretty pointless if you worked 30 hours straight. I mean, going along with the whole cake analogy, maybe bands like DMB get alot of help from the aud guys and all the crew, but I've had a hell of a time chilling with friends playing guitar and jamming all night long and I can tell you right now that there wasn't a guy standing behind everyone messing around with knobs and contemplating physics and all that stuff I really don't care about, but will pay someone like you to do for the icing. That's about all I have to say about that...peace to all the scientists, but I'm an artist and the cake, and personally, I never really liked icing anyway...

P.S.-Good luck with the 'Most Posts in One Day' record and the 'Most Consecutive Posts with No One Else Around' record...
Don't scare him away. He seems to have 10x the amount of knowledge as the next guy around here.

All in all I'd say producers and engineers don't get the recognition and respect they should. It's a very difficult job that is as much art as it is science.

I agree, this guy seems to know alot and engineers are hard to come by around here whereas we are a dime a dozen.
Be nice.

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