Flea and Wooten

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Unread post by fatjack » Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:23 pm

tietjen2k wrote:the post i made about stefan was refering to when you said playing alone makes you a better bassist and that you shouldn't care what other people think. So i responded with the statement saying playing alone isnt gonna make you better. you gotta keep yourself open and grow from other peoples opinions and musical taste. thats really where a lot of spice comes from with other musicians.

the reason i use victor as an example so much in this thread is because i know victor the best out of other musicians. I could use other musicians but I dont know them as personally and well as i know victor - so i dont get any facts mixed up. And I use flea as a comparison because i've listened to the chili peppers for a long time now and i know what kind of music he plays and I play a lot of the song he wrote, so i know his style.

i could use other musicians, but i think id mix them up a bit more than the two i know best.

the reason i posted the first post i made, "flea and wooten", was because I wanted to see if people would say "part of thats true BUT" and maybe explain why they think flea is better than victor so maybe I could look into it more. Technically victor is the better bassist (which some people to this day still disagree on cause they havent seen victor play). But I want to see if theres any VALID reasons why people think hes better >AS A BASS PLAYER< - thats why i posted this and gave my understanding of why i personally think victor is better.
see, now here you go making stuff up, i never said anything about playing alone, i said that playing is all that is required to be a good musician. i never said anything about playing just by yourself. of course you have to play with musicians that are better than you in order to advance, but i still think that worrying about the opinions of stupid people shouldn't be a problem.

you say you posted this because you want to investigate why people might think flea is better, but your first few posts were about how you hate how the young generation thinks flea is better. if you really wanted to know why people might think flea is better, you could have just come out and asked it instead of getting to it in a very roundabout way

and you want to know why people think flea is better? because people either haven't ever heard of victor, or because they aren't into complex, dual-part bass playing. perhaps they enjoy simple melodic lines as compared to bass-chord-harmony lines. or perhaps its just because they like music with lyrics. but, once again, it doesn't matter because what people like isn't going to change what either of those bassists play
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Unread post by Bartender2424 » Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:25 pm

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tietjen2k wrote:the post i made about stefan was refering to when you said playing alone makes you a better bassist and that you shouldn't care what other people think. So i responded with the statement saying playing alone isnt gonna make you better. you gotta keep yourself open and grow from other peoples opinions and musical taste. thats really where a lot of spice comes from with other musicians.

the reason i use victor as an example so much in this thread is because i know victor the best out of other musicians. I could use other musicians but I dont know them as personally and well as i know victor - so i dont get any facts mixed up. And I use flea as a comparison because i've listened to the chili peppers for a long time now and i know what kind of music he plays and I play a lot of the song he wrote, so i know his style.

i could use other musicians, but i think id mix them up a bit more than the two i know best.

the reason i posted the first post i made, "flea and wooten", was because I wanted to see if people would say "part of thats true BUT" and maybe explain why they think flea is better than victor so maybe I could look into it more. Technically victor is the better bassist (which some people to this day still disagree on cause they havent seen victor play). But I want to see if theres any VALID reasons why people think hes better >AS A BASS PLAYER< - thats why i posted this and gave my understanding of why i personally think victor is better.
see, now here you go making stuff up, i never said anything about playing alone, i said that playing is all that is required to be a good musician. i never said anything about playing just by yourself. of course you have to play with musicians that are better than you in order to advance, but i still think that worrying about the opinions of stupid people shouldn't be a problem.

you say you posted this because you want to investigate why people might think flea is better, but your first few posts were about how you hate how the young generation thinks flea is better. if you really wanted to know why people might think flea is better, you could have just come out and asked it instead of getting to it in a very roundabout way

and you want to know why people think flea is better? because people either haven't ever heard of victor, or because they aren't into complex, dual-part bass playing. perhaps they enjoy simple melodic lines as compared to bass-chord-harmony lines. or perhaps its just because they like music with lyrics. but, once again, it doesn't matter because what people like isn't going to change what either of those bassists play
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Unread post by fatjack » Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:27 pm

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tietjen2k wrote:the post i made about stefan was refering to when you said playing alone makes you a better bassist and that you shouldn't care what other people think. So i responded with the statement saying playing alone isnt gonna make you better. you gotta keep yourself open and grow from other peoples opinions and musical taste. thats really where a lot of spice comes from with other musicians.

the reason i use victor as an example so much in this thread is because i know victor the best out of other musicians. I could use other musicians but I dont know them as personally and well as i know victor - so i dont get any facts mixed up. And I use flea as a comparison because i've listened to the chili peppers for a long time now and i know what kind of music he plays and I play a lot of the song he wrote, so i know his style.

i could use other musicians, but i think id mix them up a bit more than the two i know best.

the reason i posted the first post i made, "flea and wooten", was because I wanted to see if people would say "part of thats true BUT" and maybe explain why they think flea is better than victor so maybe I could look into it more. Technically victor is the better bassist (which some people to this day still disagree on cause they havent seen victor play). But I want to see if theres any VALID reasons why people think hes better >AS A BASS PLAYER< - thats why i posted this and gave my understanding of why i personally think victor is better.
see, now here you go making stuff up, i never said anything about playing alone, i said that playing is all that is required to be a good musician. i never said anything about playing just by yourself. of course you have to play with musicians that are better than you in order to advance, but i still think that worrying about the opinions of stupid people shouldn't be a problem.

you say you posted this because you want to investigate why people might think flea is better, but your first few posts were about how you hate how the young generation thinks flea is better. if you really wanted to know why people might think flea is better, you could have just come out and asked it instead of getting to it in a very roundabout way

and you want to know why people think flea is better? because people either haven't ever heard of victor, or because they aren't into complex, dual-part bass playing. perhaps they enjoy simple melodic lines as compared to bass-chord-harmony lines. or perhaps its just because they like music with lyrics. but, once again, it doesn't matter because what people like isn't going to change what either of those bassists play
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Unread post by Bartender2424 » Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:33 pm

You both come from great stand points.

Tietjen, I get what your saying, your saying in order to excell in music you hafta be willing to explore new styles, new ways f music and such. A valid point. But once youve found *your sound* theres no need to explore anymore. Once youve found your sound you just excell from it. When you hear Stefan or Vic or Flea, you go yea, thats a Stefan riff or a Vic riff, etc. Thats where fatjacks coming from. Your sound is your sound, not everyones gotta like it, if you think what your doing is good, shit who cares about what anybody else thinks. Thats the difference between a musician and a performer. Got it?

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Unread post by i like tictacs » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:30 pm

Bartender2424 wrote:You both come from great stand points.

Tietjen, I get what your saying, your saying in order to excell in music you hafta be willing to explore new styles, new ways f music and such. A valid point. But once youve found *your sound* theres no need to explore anymore. Once youve found your sound you just excell from it. When you hear Stefan or Vic or Flea, you go yea, thats a Stefan riff or a Vic riff, etc. Thats where fatjacks coming from. Your sound is your sound, not everyones gotta like it, if you think what your doing is good, shit who cares about what anybody else thinks. Thats the difference between a musician and a performer. Got it?

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exactly.

and street fish - i was under the impression mike (flea) was in his 30's. vic's been playing almost 40 years.

i don't know all that much about flea himself, meh
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Unread post by tietjen2k » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:43 pm

well i dont mean go and change your whole style due to somebodys opinion, more like add to it and let it grow and dont slow the growth of your style down by not taking opinions of what people see in other music and other playing style.

for instance, lets say your a punk bassist, and your talkin to a guy whos seen you play and you ask him what he thought. Lets say the guy says "it was really tight, but have you ever heard of a guitarist by the name of stanley jordan? he does all tapping - itd be cool to see some of that." now youd probably think "what the hell, how am i supposed to tap when its way out of my style and music type."

well go home and mess with tapping, explore it and find fast paced fills to add in off and on in your playing, with a real beastly "punk attitude." Now you've grown from somebodies opinion, when your lines seem a bit boring and you just cant seem to get a pleasing fill going, now from that opinion you have an alternative method to help you come up with something.

everybody likes different types of music for a reason - even the dreaded rap music that most of us rock musicians hate. if somebody were to tell you they like rap and itd be so cool if your band did some - dont literally do it on vocals and what not, maybe sit down and put yourself through the torture of listening to a rap song - then listen to the rhythme of the vocalists voice and see if you can make a line out of it. You just might discover a new rhythmatic approach to things.

bass is a REALLY hard instrument to master. if you really want to master it, reguardless of what you think...i really feel you have to take other peoples musical tastes and opinions into consideration. Though a lot of it will not seem like fun, after messing around with it for a bit youll learn things you had closed off before and maybe start to enjoy it a lot more than you imagined.

Im not saying you gotta say "oh this person likes that, so im going to fully change the sound of my music" - just add onto your style, take opinions and try to build your own style off em. I don't feel by saying "I dont give a fuck what other people think and i just wanna play" will get you to being anywhere near a master of the bass...maybe its possible...but it will be a lot tougher and take a lot longer, plus doesnt say much for your attitude.

and no, not everyone is going to like it - but those with a valid reason why might be worth investigating

lol and as for "picking on the new guy," go for it ;) - eventually i wont be new and you'll have to find a new excuse tho :lol:

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Unread post by fatjack » Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:55 pm

tietjen2k wrote:bass is a REALLY hard instrument to master. if you really want to master it, reguardless of what you think...i really feel you have to take other peoples musical tastes and opinions into consideration. Though a lot of it will not seem like fun, after messing around with it for a bit youll learn things you had closed off before and maybe start to enjoy it a lot more than you imagined.

Im not saying you gotta say "oh this person likes that, so im going to fully change the sound of my music" - just add onto your style, take opinions and try to build your own style off em. I don't feel by saying "I dont give a fuck what other people think and i just wanna play" will get you to being anywhere near a master of the bass...maybe its possible...but it will be a lot tougher and take a lot longer, plus doesnt say much for your attitude.

and no, not everyone is going to like it - but those with a valid reason why might be worth investigating

lol and as for "picking on the new guy," go for it ;) - eventually i wont be new and you'll have to find a new excuse tho :lol:
here's a funny thing, i dont play bass, so i dont understand why you keep thinking i do.

and seriously, quit tryng to explain things to me like i'm a child, i might know a little more about music than you think i do...

and you are still missing my point, no matter how many times i try to explain it. i never said anything about ignoring influences of other musicians, i even said that it is necessary. my point was that the opinions of dumbfucks who think someone like flea is a better bassist than vic shouldn't even matter.

there, look what you did, i had to repeat myself, AGAIN. i dont like repeating what i said. perhaps i will put a mob hit on you now...
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Unread post by whatshername » Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:59 pm

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Unread post by kopie101 » Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:09 pm

how about this: theyre both better than all of us

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Unread post by Bartender2424 » Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:51 pm

No Im better than both of them....


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