#41 in Gmajor?

[ericwormann]

I've said it in other threads and I'm going to say it here once, and then I quit:

It is inaccurate to say that a major key (G) and its relative minor (Em) are the same thing. While the two keys contain the same notes, the tonal center is COMPLETELY different. In other words, you play the same notes in both keys, but you manipulate the scales in order to get a different feel. Some notes are played more at certain times than others. The key a song is written in is not simply a pattern of notes that you play when you're soloing.

For example, the intro to Pantala Naga Pampa is in the key of D. This part has a light, bouncy, fun kind of feel to it (I like to say a "majory" type of feel) because it is in a major key, D. Now listen to Crush. The verse is in Bm and has a completely different feel to it. That's the difference between D and Bm. Same notes, completely different feel.

It is also important to note that it isn't just the guitar that is shaping the key of the song, its also the vocals, bass, violin, keyboards, and saxaphone that contribute to the overall feel and key of the song.

[fatjack]

I've said it in other threads and I'm going to say it here once, and then I quit:

It is inaccurate to say that a major key (G) and its relative minor (Em) are the same thing. While the two keys contain the same notes, the tonal center is COMPLETELY different. In other words, you play the same notes in both keys, but you manipulate the scales in order to get a different feel. Some notes are played more at certain times than others. The key a song is written in is not simply a pattern of notes that you play when you're soloing.

For example, the intro to Pantala Naga Pampa is in the key of D. This part has a light, bouncy, fun kind of feel to it (I like to say a "majory" type of feel) because it is in a major key, D. Now listen to Crush. The verse is in Bm and has a completely different feel to it. That's the difference between D and Bm. Same notes, completely different feel.

It is also important to note that it isn't just the guitar that is shaping the key of the song, its also the vocals, bass, violin, keyboards, and saxaphone that contribute to the overall feel and key of the song.

guess what, same damn notes, same damn key. you look at the key signature and you'll find one sharp. means the same thing. yeah you sound different when you change the tonic, but explaining it as such is just a bunch of bullshit because it just complicates and confuses

[ericwormann]

guess what, same damn notes, same damn key. you look at the key signature and you'll find one sharp. means the same thing. yeah you sound different when you change the tonic, but explaining it as such is just a bunch of bullshit because it just complicates and confuses

I'm sure every professional musician and music instructor would agree with you. And I'm sure you believe 3/4 time and 6/8 time are the same thing too.

[fatjack]

guess what, same damn notes, same damn key. you look at the key signature and you'll find one sharp. means the same thing. yeah you sound different when you change the tonic, but explaining it as such is just a bunch of bullshit because it just complicates and confuses

I'm sure every professional musician and music instructor would agree with you. And I'm sure you believe 3/4 time and 6/8 time are the same thing too.

i dont give a damn about professional musicians or music instructors because most of them are pompous jackasses who teach in a manner that makes most students feel stupid. i'll make my own observations and choose to view things in the way i want to

nice assumption, but your wrong, i do think that they are different meters

[budlitebrad]

Are you guys gonna get a divorce?

It's my fault, isn't it....

[skpr41]

no, it's mine for starting this topic in the first place!

it's good to have these kinds of discussions tho. at least we're getting fj fired up again.

anyway, i understand what winglet is talking about. since the root is different for g major than e minor, people would usually base their solos and chords choices around those notes. seems to me tho that technically they are the same since they have the same notes on the scale.

so what would make you decide which key is used? study the song and see if the solos and chords are mainly based around the g note or the e note? this is my biggest confusion with major and their relative minor keys and how to tell the difference.

[grock]

guess what, same damn notes, same damn key. you look at the key signature and you'll find one sharp. means the same thing. yeah you sound different when you change the tonic, but explaining it as such is just a bunch of bullshit because it just complicates and confuses

I'm sure every professional musician and music instructor would agree with you. And I'm sure you believe 3/4 time and 6/8 time are the same thing too.

look at any peice of music composed for studio musicians and what does it have. A key signature and a meter signature. clearly having different meter signatures would lead one to believe that the meters are different. there is no denying that. they are hardly comparable. but the key signature has just the sharps and flats and nothing more. and why? why doesn't it say Em or G? huh?

[fatjack]

guess what, same damn notes, same damn key. you look at the key signature and you'll find one sharp. means the same thing. yeah you sound different when you change the tonic, but explaining it as such is just a bunch of bullshit because it just complicates and confuses

I'm sure every professional musician and music instructor would agree with you. And I'm sure you believe 3/4 time and 6/8 time are the same thing too.

look at any peice of music composed for studio musicians and what does it have. A key signature and a meter signature. clearly having different meter signatures would lead one to believe that the meters are different. there is no denying that. they are hardly comparable. but the key signature has just the sharps and flats and nothing more. and why? why doesn't it say Em or G? huh?

biggity bam

werd up to grock

[MWR]

I've said it in other threads and I'm going to say it here once, and then I quit:

It is inaccurate to say that a major key (G) and its relative minor (Em) are the same thing. While the two keys contain the same notes, the tonal center is COMPLETELY different. In other words, you play the same notes in both keys, but you manipulate the scales in order to get a different feel. Some notes are played more at certain times than others. The key a song is written in is not simply a pattern of notes that you play when you're soloing.

For example, the intro to Pantala Naga Pampa is in the key of D. This part has a light, bouncy, fun kind of feel to it (I like to say a "majory" type of feel) because it is in a major key, D. Now listen to Crush. The verse is in Bm and has a completely different feel to it. That's the difference between D and Bm. Same notes, completely different feel.

It is also important to note that it isn't just the guitar that is shaping the key of the song, its also the vocals, bass, violin, keyboards, and saxaphone that contribute to the overall feel and key of the song.

guess what, same damn notes, same damn key. you look at the key signature and you'll find one sharp. means the same thing. yeah you sound different when you change the tonic, but explaining it as such is just a bunch of bullshit because it just complicates and confuses

If someone is confused with the relative major/minor concept than your going to have bigger problems...like making sure they don't fall as they're getting of the little bus.
With all the the complex theory out there I don't see how you can make such a big deal about a simple concept.

i dont give a damn about professional musicians or music instructors because most of them are pompous jackasses who teach in a manner that makes most students feel stupid. i'll make my own observations and choose to view things in the way i want to

Thats the most hypocritical thing you have ever said. You win the award for making people feel stupid on these boards and your pompous as hell. Thats some bullshit right there.

[fatjack]

I've said it in other threads and I'm going to say it here once, and then I quit:

It is inaccurate to say that a major key (G) and its relative minor (Em) are the same thing. While the two keys contain the same notes, the tonal center is COMPLETELY different. In other words, you play the same notes in both keys, but you manipulate the scales in order to get a different feel. Some notes are played more at certain times than others. The key a song is written in is not simply a pattern of notes that you play when you're soloing.

For example, the intro to Pantala Naga Pampa is in the key of D. This part has a light, bouncy, fun kind of feel to it (I like to say a "majory" type of feel) because it is in a major key, D. Now listen to Crush. The verse is in Bm and has a completely different feel to it. That's the difference between D and Bm. Same notes, completely different feel.

It is also important to note that it isn't just the guitar that is shaping the key of the song, its also the vocals, bass, violin, keyboards, and saxaphone that contribute to the overall feel and key of the song.

guess what, same damn notes, same damn key. you look at the key signature and you'll find one sharp. means the same thing. yeah you sound different when you change the tonic, but explaining it as such is just a bunch of bullshit because it just complicates and confuses

If someone is confused with the relative major/minor concept than your going to have bigger problems...like making sure they don't fall as they're getting of the little bus.
With all the the complex theory out there I don't see how you can make such a big deal about a simple concept.

i dont give a damn about professional musicians or music instructors because most of them are pompous jackasses who teach in a manner that makes most students feel stupid. i'll make my own observations and choose to view things in the way i want to

Thats the most hypocritical thing you have ever said. You win the award for making people feel stupid on these boards and your pompous as hell. Thats some bullshit right there.

yeah, but i dont get paid for what i do

and i dont remember making anyone feel stupid

[MWR]

So what. You still share your knowledge and people on these boards listen to you. For what reason I don't know.
What works for you doesn't always work for other people yet you make them feel as though your way is the right way. That makes people feel stupid.

[trippinants13]

you guys are assclowns. if it sounds good to you, then play it. you are the one making the music. if other poeple don't like, it then, oh well!! someone will.

[MWR]

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

[fatjack]

So what. You still share your knowledge and people on these boards listen to you. For what reason I don't know.
What works for you doesn't always work for other people yet you make them feel as though your way is the right way. That makes people feel stupid.

they dont have to listen to me, to tell you the truth i dont know why anyone listens to me either. i state my opinion, and though it may not seem like it, i have no intention of being callous or or belittiling when it comes to this stuff. this certain issue gets me going though because i feel it exemplifies how theory can be belittling if taught a certain way

so i say things, take it as you wish

[trippinants13]

that it is