Grey Street on 12-string

Xoosh · Unread post by **Xoosh** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 3:13 am

KEVIN!!!! HOLY CRAP!!!! Long time no see... remember me?

KevinGTArch · Unread post by **KevinGTArch** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 9:18 am

XOOSH!! The man...the myth....the web designer?! Sure enough I remember you back from the days of the classic dmbtabs.com. Are you one of those responsible for keeping this site up-to-date and making it badass?

Good to see you're still wandering the boards! What've you been up to?

Kev

Xoosh · Unread post by **Xoosh** » Thu Jan 30, 2003 12:09 pm

actually, yeah it's me

jkanter and myself and another guy (jpittman) worked together to rebuild the website. I did the web designing aspect of it and a few other side projects.. im doing some more stuff behind the scenes but that's all a surprise now

We're Moderators of the board as well (myself, kanter, and pittman)... some minor headaches but nothin super x man cant handle

are you in college or anything now?

KevinGTArch · Unread post by **KevinGTArch** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:48 am

Well "handled" is what you guys certainly have done! You definately get a big thumbs up from my end over here. It's definately nice to see this site as an active one.

I am still in college at Georgia Tech...finishing up my third year this semester BUT I still have three years more to go. They won't let us Architects practice unless we get a Masters degree here. Personally, I think they just want more of my money!

Otherwise I'm doing odd design jobs including web design on the side and enjoying open mic nights and jam sessions whenever and wherever possible!

What've you been up to? You still in school as well? I feel like I'll be in school forever...

Peace,

Kev

Pickles · Unread post by **Pickles** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 11:50 am

i thought a masters degree was 8 years

Xoosh · Unread post by **Xoosh** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 3:27 pm

ibelieve that's a doctrate

billywestom · Unread post by **billywestom** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 4:31 pm

madtadder wrote:
KevinGTArch wrote:Trust me, they are there.
I just can't man. i dont have storytellers on my computer, i have the tape of it, and when i watch it (which i have over and over again tonight, kinda getting sick of those 30 seconds, haha) i just don't see any other octave strings on there, just the low e. and obviously we're never going to agree on it, so yeah, whatever, not like it really matters.

I just have to say that i am 100 percent positive that all 12 strings are there. peace... : )

KevinGTArch · Unread post by **KevinGTArch** » Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:38 pm

Billy! Thank you! I was just waiting for someone else to back me up on the 12-strings!

A masters CAN take four years but I'm on a 4+2 program here. If I really want I could take ANOTHER four years on top of that and go for a PhD in an associated field of Architecture but it wouldn't do anything for me other than allow me a shot at being a professor some years down the road.

Yeah, like I could teach...

Kev

matt2053 · Unread post by **matt2053** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 3:26 am

I'm not trying to be an ass, but putting 7 strings on a 12 string guitar is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. If you only see 7 strings, it's safer to assume you are seeing wrong than to assume there really are only 7 strings. It's just absurd. First of, there would be no point in doing that. Secondly, it would be very bad for the guitar, as the tension on the neck would be reduced and could cause damage. Plus it can be very hard to see strings that are vibrating in photos, and it can play tricks on your eyes. Some photos look like there are no strings. Or on some you can only see the low e and B. Shall I assume that Dave has played a six string guitar with only two strings on it because it looked that way in a picture? Nah.

And if anyone can find a picture of the headstock, I think the solution will be found, as it should be easier to see the strings between the tuning machines and the nut than between the nut and the bridge. If there are only seven, I will eat a shit sandwich.

Pickles · Unread post by **Pickles** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 2:03 pm

matt2053 wrote:Secondly, it would be very bad for the guitar, as the tension on the neck would be reduced and could cause damage.

just to let you know dude i own a 12 string and having all 12 strings on it is more damaging then having less. the tension really isnt good for it. i doubt they would last as long as a 12 string with 7 strings on it would.

Speenis · Unread post by **Speenis** » Sat Feb 01, 2003 2:48 pm

jsgksu wrote:
BigSpeen3436 wrote:I was one of the first few thousand to see dave play a Grey Street on his 12-string at Polaris Ampitheatre in Columbus, 6-19-00. So, that is when he first started playing grey street, and using his 12-string to play it. Just some FYI.
I was there for both nights, it kicked ass, me and my friends stayed in a local campground right by and everyone there were dave fans. It was so cool, we got to hear all the songs from the lillywhite sessions for the first time they were ever played.

It was pretty cool getting the chance to hear the lillywhites first. For some odd reason, before he played grey street for the first time he said something about it, like maybe the name of it or something, and I thought he called it "Suck it". Don't ask me how I thought thats what he said, It's just that I had lawn seats and I couldn't understand a word he said the whole damn night.

matt2053 · Unread post by **matt2053** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 2:39 am

shane wrote:
matt2053 wrote:Secondly, it would be very bad for the guitar, as the tension on the neck would be reduced and could cause damage.
just to let you know dude i own a 12 string and having all 12 strings on it is more damaging then having less. the tension really isnt good for it. i doubt they would last as long as a 12 string with 7 strings on it would.

Um, acutally a 12 string is manufactured to hold the tension of 12 strings. Same as a six string is made to hold the tension of six strings. I dont know if this is right or not just what I have always heard. Sorry if I'm wrong. But that is what I have always heard, which is why it's not good to take all the strings off at the same time when you change strings, you should do it one at a time.

two steps too many · Unread post by **two steps too many** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 6:31 am

ok, my thought, look carefully, and try it yourself to see what i mean, but the low E vibrates alot more then the other strings......that picture looks like he is playing a 6 string but that low E is vibrating, he just hit it on the downstoke, vibrates more with good strings and a good guitar

two steps too many · Unread post by **two steps too many** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 6:41 am

i hate to post twice but since my last post i have done an experiment with my camera. i rang the low E fairly hard, not harder then normal tho and took a picture of it ringing out, for the first few seconds or miliseconds you can actually see 2 strings because of the frequency that it is vibrating, but actually it is one. same goes for the other strings and if you look at that picture you can see the ghostly image of the B and E string ringing out too, and it looks doubled up, especially the B. A twelve string when strings are ringing makes quite a wider image of the strings, since there are 2.

I could obviously be wrong since i wasn't there, but I know that I made a picture with my 6 string that looks like it's a 12

try to ring your low E with your thumb, i find works better to see it

KevinGTArch · Unread post by **KevinGTArch** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:06 am

While I don't doubt the plausability of your photo experiment, there are three little bits of evidence that go against this being the case for the "photo-in-question" of Dave's 12-string:

1. First of all you said you had to hit the low E "fairly hard" in order to make it vibrate so much that it would appear as two on film. Now thing about what song Dave is playing - Spoon. The song really doesn't require the power you would need to get that kind of vibration.

2. Look at the Dave picture again - there is clearly a difference in the guage between the the low E string and its octave. I can also see the other octave strings for the bass notes but its difficult to see the the B and high E or their double string at all.

3. You can also see that there are two rows of bridge pins. That really doesn't come on your standard 6-string guitar.

I have to hand it to you - that's one hell of a photo experiment to support an argument.

Peace,

Kev

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