harmonics...

Matty Boom · Unread post by **Matty Boom** » Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:36 pm

i've gotten pretty good with harmonics and being able to sound one at pretty much every fret (not just the natural 5,7,12 ones)...but anyway, could one of you theory buffs explain this to me...are they the same note they would be just played regularly, just an octave up, or what? i'm looking to familiarize myself with this so i can do a lot more soloing with harmonics...and how do scales and whatnot change when you hit harmonics on the frets rather than just playing em...thanks ya'll

PlayLikeDave · Unread post by **PlayLikeDave** » Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:06 pm

I don't know why I am replying, but I believe that the harmonics on the 12th fret are the same notes as normally played on that fret. As for the 5th and 7th...I have no clue. I am sure you can do some type of google search and find out.

peace

Matty Boom · Unread post by **Matty Boom** » Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:15 pm

eh...i'm sure i could, but i'm also sure i'll get an accurate, concise, and very enlightening answer from these theory buffs when they get around to it

PlayLikeDave · Unread post by **PlayLikeDave** » Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:16 pm

Matty Boom wrote:eh...i'm sure i could, but i'm also sure i'll get an accurate, concise, and very enlightening answer from these theory buffs when they get around to it

Indeed

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:17 pm

grock answered this question in a thread a while back i think. i dont know it actually, i'm experimenting now with atrificial harmonics in order to do the son misty like victor wooten does on the album a show of hands

DreaminBassMunky · Unread post by **DreaminBassMunky** » Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:46 pm

munky's breakdown on harmonics:

4th fret harmonics are the same as 9th fret harmoincs and produce a tone that is exactly 6 half steps or a perfect third from string that you are on. Example if you playa 4th fret harmonic on the G it comes out as B.

5th fret harmonics are the same as the string you are on. So are 12th, only 5th is an octave higher.

7th fret harmonics tune to the string right below, and are often used to tune fretted instruments.Play a 7th fret harominc on the G string and a 5th fret haromonic on the D string, and they will be the same pitch.

I don't know much more about harmonics that then. I have a guitar book with a HUGE section on theory and I could break that out, it has a whole page on different harmonics, and artificial harmonics. I have tried artificial harmonics, they are a bitch.

I don't think I answered your question at all. Sorry.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:55 pm

DreaminBassMunky wrote:munky's breakdown on harmonics:

4th fret harmonics are the same as 9th fret harmoincs and produce a tone that is exactly 6 half steps or a perfect third from string that you are on. Example if you playa 4th fret harmonic on the G it comes out as B.

5th fret harmonics are the same as the string you are on. So are 12th, only 5th is an octave higher.

7th fret harmonics tune to the string right below, and are often used to tune fretted instruments.Play a 7th fret harominc on the G string and a 5th fret haromonic on the D string, and they will be the same pitch.

I don't know much more about harmonics that then. I have a guitar book with a HUGE section on theory and I could break that out, it has a whole page on different harmonics, and artificial harmonics. I have tried artificial harmonics, they are a bitch.

I don't think I answered your question at all. Sorry.

i think those rules would stay true for artificial harmonics as well, just adjust for how much you go up

my guess is this. if you want to play a harmonic and get the note of the fret you are on, do a 5 fret difference to get it

DreaminBassMunky · Unread post by **DreaminBassMunky** » Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:57 pm

Yeah i've played around with harmonics where most people would strum a guitar, and it's pretty crazy, but it's really hard to gauge where they are.

grock · Unread post by **grock** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:32 am

http://www.dmbtabs.com/boards/viewtopic ... onic#57625
that is the last post where i chimed in on harmonics. (i am so punny!)
check out that link in the post.

http://www.dmbtabs.com/boards/viewtopic ... nics#54957
and here is earlier in the thread, where i posted a pretty good sheet about bass harmonics that is pretty applicable to guitar.

actually the whole thread is pretty good.

and not to be an ass, but it took me 2 seconds to find this by typing "harmonics" into the search page here.

and google found these two pages (along with 57,000 other pages) in about .20 seconds which is more good info. http://members.tripod.com/~johncomino/harmart.htm http://www.guitarsite.com/newsletters/000724/12.shtml

again, i'm just saying there is a lot of info out there, and while everyone here knows i don't mind doing the searches for you (i've done plenty), you can find out a lot if you just type some stuff in google.

good luck on the artificial harmonics and/or pinch harmonics. it gives me all types of trouble for both techniques...

Matty Boom · Unread post by **Matty Boom** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:44 am

i understand...but i know that you can also appreciate the concisity involved in just asking...especially with some of our theory buffs..if no one asks, they might get rusty!

grock · Unread post by **grock** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:49 am

Matty Boom wrote:i understand...but i know that you can also appreciate the concisity involved in just asking...especially with some of our theory buffs..if no one asks, they might get rusty!

oh in that case, thanks for keeping us on our toes. :wink:

ps. why are we both up at almost 4 in the morning???

Matty Boom · Unread post by **Matty Boom** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 5:01 am

i'm up at 6 because i haven't taken any pills to sleep

PlayLikeDave · Unread post by **PlayLikeDave** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 9:58 am

DreaminBassMunky wrote:7th fret harmonics tune to the string right below, and are often used to tune fretted instruments.Play a 7th fret harominc on the G string and a 5th fret haromonic on the D string, and they will be the same pitch.

I read somewhere that it is bad to tune your guitar by using harmonics because they are something like "2 cents" off of the actual note. So by the time that you get to the high 'e' you are almost a half step off (taking that there are 24 cents in a whole step).

I am most likely wrong, but what's new. Anyone know anything about this?

peace

DreaminBassMunky · Unread post by **DreaminBassMunky** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:56 am

PlayLikeDave wrote:
DreaminBassMunky wrote:7th fret harmonics tune to the string right below, and are often used to tune fretted instruments.Play a 7th fret harominc on the G string and a 5th fret haromonic on the D string, and they will be the same pitch.
I read somewhere that it is bad to tune your guitar by using harmonics because they are something like "2 cents" off of the actual note. So by the time that you get to the high 'e' you are almost a half step off (taking that there are 24 cents in a whole step).

I am most likely wrong, but what's new. Anyone know anything about this?

peace

you are right. I don't tune my cello using harmonics because of it, because you hit a harmonic in two wide of an area, I also usually don't use it for guitar or bass. For a guitar I just have trained my ear to know what a perfect 4th sounds like. The only time I really use harmonics for tuning is on a standup bass.

isaac · Unread post by **isaac** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:35 am

kevin, you rock.

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