Question about Song Keys

[mrjones]

Well, we can actually figure this out fairly easily.
We know that C maj is:
C, Dm, Em, F, G, Am, Bdim.

We also know that Amin is the relative minor (meaning it's the same scale starting on the relative note of the major scale) of Cmaj.
So Amin would be:
Am, Bdim, C, Dm, Em, F, G.

That would make the minor pattern:
min, dim, Maj, min, min, Maj, Maj.

I'm pretty sure, anyway.

FJ, for your min scale-1 2 3b 4 5 6b 7b, which chords are min, maj etc?
also, could you take an example like a Dm scale and put its chord of its scale?

this cant be correct. FJ said that Dm scale would have an A with it but a F scale would not. so that means an Am scale would have an E maj in it.

this is because the minor scale is not simply a rearrangement of the major scale.

which is why littlefriend's post is not quite correct

the minor scale actually has more than 7 tones in it. this is because it has two scale degree 7s and two scale degree 6's.

this is the minor scale when looked at from a completely modal (Aeolian) context

1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7

but there are two other tones: natural 6 and natural 7. the reason there these two tones are included is to make up for the fact that the minor scale does not having a leading tone. the flat degrees are played while descending and the natural degrees when ascending

but these tones apply to harmonization as well. this is most apparent in the V chord. a V chord cannot function as a true V chord unless it is a major triad. if you look at littlefriend's post, he says that the V chord is minor. the reason it must be changed to a major is because scale degree 7 is the third of the V triad. a V chord will not function likes it is supposed to unless it has the leading tone.

look at the D minor scale:

if the V chord was an Am like you are suggesting, then these are the tones: A C E. C is the b7 of the minor scale. since the b7 moves downward, then a V chord will not move to a tonic harmony because there is no pull towards scale degree one.

but if the C# replaces the C, then you have a strong pull towards scale degree 1, and the V chord will function like it is supposed to

FJ for your min scale- 1 2 3b 4 5 6b 7b, could you tell us to use a maj or min chord etc? could you give an example by showing which chords go into a specific minor scale

[fatjack]

Well, we can actually figure this out fairly easily.
We know that C maj is:
C, Dm, Em, F, G, Am, Bdim.

We also know that Amin is the relative minor (meaning it's the same scale starting on the relative note of the major scale) of Cmaj.
So Amin would be:
Am, Bdim, C, Dm, Em, F, G.

That would make the minor pattern:
min, dim, Maj, min, min, Maj, Maj.

I'm pretty sure, anyway.

FJ, for your min scale-1 2 3b 4 5 6b 7b, which chords are min, maj etc?
also, could you take an example like a Dm scale and put its chord of its scale?

this cant be correct. FJ said that Dm scale would have an A with it but a F scale would not. so that means an Am scale would have an E maj in it.

this is because the minor scale is not simply a rearrangement of the major scale.

which is why littlefriend's post is not quite correct

the minor scale actually has more than 7 tones in it. this is because it has two scale degree 7s and two scale degree 6's.

this is the minor scale when looked at from a completely modal (Aeolian) context

1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7

but there are two other tones: natural 6 and natural 7. the reason there these two tones are included is to make up for the fact that the minor scale does not having a leading tone. the flat degrees are played while descending and the natural degrees when ascending

but these tones apply to harmonization as well. this is most apparent in the V chord. a V chord cannot function as a true V chord unless it is a major triad. if you look at littlefriend's post, he says that the V chord is minor. the reason it must be changed to a major is because scale degree 7 is the third of the V triad. a V chord will not function likes it is supposed to unless it has the leading tone.

look at the D minor scale:

if the V chord was an Am like you are suggesting, then these are the tones: A C E. C is the b7 of the minor scale. since the b7 moves downward, then a V chord will not move to a tonic harmony because there is no pull towards scale degree one.

but if the C# replaces the C, then you have a strong pull towards scale degree 1, and the V chord will function like it is supposed to

FJ for your min scale- 1 2 3b 4 5 6b 7b, could you tell us to use a maj or min chord etc? could you give an example by showing which chords go into a specific minor scale

just look at the notes in the scale, and keep in mind the direction of a line containing the a 6th or a 7th and you will know whether to flat it or not.

and i really don't see much use for knowing minor harmonization popular music anyway. you wouldn't use the minor scale exactly as it was meant to unless you want to write classical music. even if you were, its quite difficult to write a piece in minor without it returning to its relative major.