Do u always count timing out?

[Sciaracastro]

Scales are just a little part of theory...

are you fucking kidding me? the beatles sucked in playing and didn't know anything about theory? george harrison is one of the most innovative guitarists ever, he knew what he was doing. he didn't just pull shit out of thin air...

I'm not saying that the beatles and george harrison were shits and that they didnt know what were they doing...I'm just saying that they just knew essentials and most of their songs were quite simple...and that is enough to play very good songs...i really like the beatles anyway!

either way, i still dont think that you really understand what theory is. You dont need a knowledge of theory to create music, but theory applies to all music. so your phrase "the opposite of theory" is really quite ridiculous

I just wrote bad...I meant that u can create something revolutionary that could be very very very different from the music already exists...
...listen...Jimi Hendrix played w/ his guitar reversed, Kurt Cobain could play only few chords, and I can continue citing Slash or Jimmy Page...they all didnt know the "classic" theory, but does their music sux?!
Peace

so you are saying theory only applies to music that has already been done or isn't creative?

What do u mean w/ "theory"? I mean all the already existing rules that make you playing "right"...you can even ignore "theory" and play well by ear...that's what i'm saying...

[StarSlight]

counting can get a bit more tricky then going to four

i know, but were talking BK, he thinks everything is 4/4

Im so damn close to e-slapping you right now.

if anything, I thought you would have said 12/8

Ive been thinking about making a Comprehensive list of all Daves songs and their time signatures. Unfortunatley, they would just appear as useless fractions to most people

I personally would love a list of time signatures. I'm attempting to get into odd meters (so I can start a Meshuggah cover band ), and I'm trying to find all the musical examples I can.

well, I can give the time signaures, but that would do little. I could give some time signatures and a list of songs that have those sigs.

btw, going out and thinking "this song is gonna be an odd time, cause I need soemthing idfferent" wont work out like you think.

I know that, but I listen to a lot of bands that use them quite often, and I'd like to learn how they work.

[fatjack]

Scales are just a little part of theory...

are you fucking kidding me? the beatles sucked in playing and didn't know anything about theory? george harrison is one of the most innovative guitarists ever, he knew what he was doing. he didn't just pull shit out of thin air...

I'm not saying that the beatles and george harrison were shits and that they didnt know what were they doing...I'm just saying that they just knew essentials and most of their songs were quite simple...and that is enough to play very good songs...i really like the beatles anyway!

either way, i still dont think that you really understand what theory is. You dont need a knowledge of theory to create music, but theory applies to all music. so your phrase "the opposite of theory" is really quite ridiculous

I just wrote bad...I meant that u can create something revolutionary that could be very very very different from the music already exists...
...listen...Jimi Hendrix played w/ his guitar reversed, Kurt Cobain could play only few chords, and I can continue citing Slash or Jimmy Page...they all didnt know the "classic" theory, but does their music sux?!
Peace

so you are saying theory only applies to music that has already been done or isn't creative?

What do u mean w/ "theory"? I mean all the already existing rules that make you playing "right"...you can even ignore "theory" and play well by ear...that's what i'm saying...

you truly are ignorant if you think that's what music theory is. theory isn't something that forces you to play a certain way.

look at it this way: theory is the science of music. Science is used to explain how something works. The science of anatomy explains how the systems of the human body work, but it doesn't control how it works. Do you see what I'm saying? Theory explains music, it doesn't actually make the music.

It really pisses me off when people say theory is for people who don't have feeling. That's just an ignorant point of view and shows a very closed mind.

You don't have to have theory to play music, but you need it to truly understand music.

[Beauford33]

starlight, just find some music and count it out.

If you are looking for a Counting 101 type lesson, youre in the wrong place.

[StarSlight]

I wasn't. Just saying that I thought a time signature list would be useful.

[fatjack]

I wasn't. Just saying that I thought a time signature list would be useful.

well, you wont need a list if you know how time sigs are done:

the bottom number is the type of note that recieves the beat. thusly, the bottom number can only be 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc. (although i've never encountered anything higher than sixteen). with a four on the bottom the quarter note gets the beat, with 8 the eighth note gets the beat, etc.

the top number is the number of beats per measur. so, theoretically, that can be any number, but im pretty positive you can't use 1. and i've never seen over 12 either, so that might be the upper limit.

some other guidelines:

if you have 2 on the bottom, you wont have more than three on top(which really just leave 2/2 and 3/2)

you wont see time sigs like 8/4, 8/8, 4/8 etc. the two numbers will just divide down to the least common multiple.

if you want a list of commonly used odd meters, here you go

5/4, 7/8, 11/8, 5/8.

a lot of times you will have an odd meter feel when there isn't an odd meter though. like alternating between 4/4 and 3/4.

i hope this helps

[StarSlight]

Awesome, man. Thanks.

[Sciaracastro]

Scales are just a little part of theory...

are you fucking kidding me? the beatles sucked in playing and didn't know anything about theory? george harrison is one of the most innovative guitarists ever, he knew what he was doing. he didn't just pull shit out of thin air...

I'm not saying that the beatles and george harrison were shits and that they didnt know what were they doing...I'm just saying that they just knew essentials and most of their songs were quite simple...and that is enough to play very good songs...i really like the beatles anyway!

either way, i still dont think that you really understand what theory is. You dont need a knowledge of theory to create music, but theory applies to all music. so your phrase "the opposite of theory" is really quite ridiculous

I just wrote bad...I meant that u can create something revolutionary that could be very very very different from the music already exists...
...listen...Jimi Hendrix played w/ his guitar reversed, Kurt Cobain could play only few chords, and I can continue citing Slash or Jimmy Page...they all didnt know the "classic" theory, but does their music sux?!
Peace

so you are saying theory only applies to music that has already been done or isn't creative?

What do u mean w/ "theory"? I mean all the already existing rules that make you playing "right"...you can even ignore "theory" and play well by ear...that's what i'm saying...

you truly are ignorant if you think that's what music theory is. theory isn't something that forces you to play a certain way.

look at it this way: theory is the science of music. Science is used to explain how something works. The science of anatomy explains how the systems of the human body work, but it doesn't control how it works. Do you see what I'm saying? Theory explains music, it doesn't actually make the music.
It really pisses me off when people say theory is for people who don't have feeling. That's just an ignorant point of view and shows a very closed mind.

You don't have to have theory to play music, but you need it to truly understand music.

I'm not saying that theory makes the music or that it forces u to play in a certain way or that who knows theory dont have feeling...
...I'm just replying to who says that if u dont know theory u r ignorant...I'm saying the exact contrary: theory makes u play "right", and there are many ways of playing right...The point is that u can completely ignore theory and even ignore what r u playing...do u think that Hendrix knew theory?? He just said "What notes can I play after that one? Oh, this sounds good, this one sux..." That's how Hendrix learned to play...(I'm really simplifying that question to let u understand and cuz my english sux very much... )

[i like tictacs]

I wasn't. Just saying that I thought a time signature list would be useful.

the top number is the number of beats per measur. so, theoretically, that can be any number, but im pretty positive you can't use 1. and i've never seen over 12 either, so that might be the upper limit.

I've heard of a piece in 19/8ths and i'm pretty sure the flecktones have played in that time. i THINK dream theatre has a song in that time too.

[fatjack]

I'm not saying that theory makes the music or that it forces u to play in a certain way or that who knows theory dont have feeling...
...I'm just replying to who says that if u dont know theory u r ignorant...I'm saying the exact contrary: theory makes u play "right", and there are many ways of playing right...The point is that u can completely ignore theory and even ignore what r u playing...do u think that Hendrix knew theory?? He just said "What notes can I play after that one? Oh, this sounds good, this one sux..." That's how Hendrix learned to play...(I'm really simplifying that question to let u understand and cuz my english sux very much... )

you just completely glazed over what i said numbnuts! i said theory doesn't make you do anything. you act as if theory is some outside force that controls music.

and it doesn't matter what example you use, theory will always apply. hendrix may not have had knowledge of theory, but it still applies to ALL of his music.

[fatjack]

I wasn't. Just saying that I thought a time signature list would be useful.

the top number is the number of beats per measur. so, theoretically, that can be any number, but im pretty positive you can't use 1. and i've never seen over 12 either, so that might be the upper limit.

I've heard of a piece in 19/8ths and i'm pretty sure the flecktones have played in that time. i THINK dream theatre has a song in that time too.

i'll take your word for it, it doesn't seem implausible, just rather impractical

[Sciaracastro]

I'm not saying that theory makes the music or that it forces u to play in a certain way or that who knows theory dont have feeling...
...I'm just replying to who says that if u dont know theory u r ignorant...I'm saying the exact contrary: theory makes u play "right", and there are many ways of playing right...The point is that u can completely ignore theory and even ignore what r u playing...do u think that Hendrix knew theory?? He just said "What notes can I play after that one? Oh, this sounds good, this one sux..." That's how Hendrix learned to play...(I'm really simplifying that question to let u understand and cuz my english sux very much... )

you just completely glazed over what i said numbnuts! i said theory doesn't make you do anything. you act as if theory is some outside force that controls music.

and it doesn't matter what example you use, theory will always apply. hendrix may not have had knowledge of theory, but it still applies to ALL of his music.

We r saying the same thing...i wanted to say that u dont have to know theory to play well and u can be a great guitarist w/o knowing theory and w/o being an ignorant.

[Beauford33]

I'm not saying that theory makes the music or that it forces u to play in a certain way or that who knows theory dont have feeling...
...I'm just replying to who says that if u dont know theory u r ignorant...I'm saying the exact contrary: theory makes u play "right", and there are many ways of playing right...The point is that u can completely ignore theory and even ignore what r u playing...do u think that Hendrix knew theory?? He just said "What notes can I play after that one? Oh, this sounds good, this one sux..." That's how Hendrix learned to play...(I'm really simplifying that question to let u understand and cuz my english sux very much... )

you just completely glazed over what i said numbnuts! i said theory doesn't make you do anything. you act as if theory is some outside force that controls music.

and it doesn't matter what example you use, theory will always apply. hendrix may not have had knowledge of theory, but it still applies to ALL of his music.

We r saying the same thing...i wanted to say that u dont have to know theory to play well and u can be a great guitarist w/o knowing theory and w/o being an ignorant.

dude, stop argueing. Seriously, this is no good.

[fatjack]

I'm not saying that theory makes the music or that it forces u to play in a certain way or that who knows theory dont have feeling...
...I'm just replying to who says that if u dont know theory u r ignorant...I'm saying the exact contrary: theory makes u play "right", and there are many ways of playing right...The point is that u can completely ignore theory and even ignore what r u playing...do u think that Hendrix knew theory?? He just said "What notes can I play after that one? Oh, this sounds good, this one sux..." That's how Hendrix learned to play...(I'm really simplifying that question to let u understand and cuz my english sux very much... )

you just completely glazed over what i said numbnuts! i said theory doesn't make you do anything. you act as if theory is some outside force that controls music.

and it doesn't matter what example you use, theory will always apply. hendrix may not have had knowledge of theory, but it still applies to ALL of his music.

We r saying the same thing...i wanted to say that u dont have to know theory to play well and u can be a great guitarist w/o knowing theory and w/o being an ignorant.

but you keep saying that theory "makes" you do something, when it doesn't

[dmbguitar718]

I'm not saying that theory makes the music or that it forces u to play in a certain way or that who knows theory dont have feeling...
...I'm just replying to who says that if u dont know theory u r ignorant...I'm saying the exact contrary: theory makes u play "right", and there are many ways of playing right...The point is that u can completely ignore theory and even ignore what r u playing...do u think that Hendrix knew theory?? He just said "What notes can I play after that one? Oh, this sounds good, this one sux..." That's how Hendrix learned to play...(I'm really simplifying that question to let u understand and cuz my english sux very much... )

you just completely glazed over what i said numbnuts! i said theory doesn't make you do anything. you act as if theory is some outside force that controls music.

and it doesn't matter what example you use, theory will always apply. hendrix may not have had knowledge of theory, but it still applies to ALL of his music.

We r saying the same thing...i wanted to say that u dont have to know theory to play well and u can be a great guitarist w/o knowing theory and w/o being an ignorant.

but you keep saying that theory "makes" you do something, when it doesn't

is your aim still ftjack941?