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[jellyfish]

Hey, Im not sure if this is Kosher amongst the community & am not sure if it has been done already. What I want to do is convert the UTTAD or RTT record release to DVD format. It was shot with a camcorder by an udience member. I had the mpg and it was reeally good quality and surprised I havent seen it hosted anywhere.

Question 1: Is it cool if I do that? are there rules against it. If they are I will only do it for personal use and wont spread it.

Question 2: Has this show been converted before to DVD?

Anywya, I can't find my copy of it and was wondering if anybody would be willing to AIM it or something. Thanks for your help!

I checked the DVD FAQ and didn;t see anything pertaining to what I want to do.

[mlb1399]

Hey, Im not sure if this is Kosher amongst the community & am not sure if it has been done already. What I want to do is convert the UTTAD or RTT record release to DVD format. It was shot with a camcorder by an udience member. I had the mpg and it was reeally good quality and surprised I havent seen it hosted anywhere.

Question 1: Is it cool if I do that? are there rules against it. If they are I will only do it for personal use and wont spread it.

Question 2: Has this show been converted before to DVD?

Anywya, I can't find my copy of it and was wondering if anybody would be willing to AIM it or something. Thanks for your help!

I checked the DVD FAQ and didn;t see anything pertaining to what I want to do.

I think I may have this one. Is it where he plays 5-6 songs in front of a small gathering? 12-28-93?

[taylordb]

It is generally frowned upon to release mpeg sources on DVD.
With that said, Bernard (soright productions) did release a DVD of mpeg sourced footage just for archeival purposes....and I think those 2 shows were on there. I have a copy. I'll check and see and get back with you.

[jellyfish]

It is generally frowned upon to release mpeg sources on DVD.
With that said, Bernard (soright productions) did release a DVD of mpeg sourced footage just for archeival purposes....and I think those 2 shows were on there. I have a copy. I'll check and see and get back with you.

Help me understand that statement better. I will put 2 scenarios out there:

Scenario 1:

John Doe goes to a DMB show where video taping is forbidden. But, John Doe brings his video camera and tape the show successfully. He comes home and transfers his mpg footage to computer & then converts it to DVD.

Scenario 2:

John Doe goes to a show where video taping isn't illegal. His footage is also transfered to computer a mpg format. He doesn't convert it to DVD because the technology didn't exist yet.

Question 1. Why is it NOT frowned upon when people blatantly break the venue rules or bands wishes when recording these shows. Im not complaining at all otherwise I wouldn't have any unofficial DMBshows.

Question 2. What does the mpg source have to do with this? All shows are mpg formats in the beginning, as that's how the video camera's record them. They just get processed to be VOB files. But, still the source is mpg.


Thanks Danny.

[Brock]

Question 2 is not entirely correct. (Actually it's not correct at all.) Different camcorders record in different formats, but nothing other than digital cameras with a shitty movie function record directly in MPG. Camcorder footage has to be rendered as MPG. DVD video is in MPEG2, so if you were to go camcorder --> MPG --> DVD, you'd actually lose quite a bit of quality.

[jellyfish]

Question 2 is not entirely correct. (Actually it's not correct at all.) Different camcorders record in different formats, but nothing other than digital cameras with a shitty movie function record directly in MPG. Camcorder footage has to be rendered as MPG. DVD video is in MPEG2, so if you were to go camcorder --> MPG --> DVD, you'd actually lose quite a bit of quality.

Yeah, you can use something as dazzle to convert it. But, still there are shitty versions of MPG2 DVD's out there in the community.

There are also plenty of VHS --> MPG2--->DVD's for trade and download out in the community as well. Why would mine be any different.

And you are wrong about the quality difference. There is NO signifigant loss in quality. Thats something you are mimicking from other people unless you have done the conversions yourself. I have done plenty of VHS-->DVD conversions for work & for leisure and there is barely quality loss. For, example I converted my Listener Supported to DVD and the normal joe wouldn't see any quality difference.

I want Danny to answer me in the best way that he can. And if it is frowned upon thats cool. I will convert it for my purposes only and won't share it amongst the community.

[GrateDMB21]

Hey, Im not sure if this is Kosher amongst the community & am not sure if it has been done already. What I want to do is convert the UTTAD or RTT record release to DVD format. It was shot with a camcorder by an udience member. I had the mpg and it was reeally good quality and surprised I havent seen it hosted anywhere.

Question 1: Is it cool if I do that? are there rules against it. If they are I will only do it for personal use and wont spread it.

Question 2: Has this show been converted before to DVD?

Anywya, I can't find my copy of it and was wondering if anybody would be willing to AIM it or something. Thanks for your help!

I checked the DVD FAQ and didn;t see anything pertaining to what I want to do.

I have those if you want them on DVD

[taylordb]

I am actually not qualified to specifically answer your question...other than that has been my experience that it is generally not looked highly upon......IF there are other sources available.
I will ask some of the people I know to get a specific answer for you.

As far as question 1 is concerned, there are indeed people out there in the community that do frown upon video taping.....I don't happen to be one of them.

[willndmb]

Jelly
you don't know/understand what you are talking about
there are different "kinds" of mpg
mpg2 or m2v is a DVD file, however 99% of the mpgs around are mpg1 which is compressed farmore then a m2v file

for example if i take a MiniDV tape and import it direct to my comp it takes 2GB of storage for every 9:28 of video
now lests say i have 1 hr thats approx 12GB of storage needed
i convert that to MPG2/M2V and make it 4GB at a bitrate of 8
i can compress it more by using a lower bitrate if i want
OR
by converting it to mpg (plain old mpg -- like the mpg you have of 12/28/93)
now if i dothat and make a mpg/vcd that fits a 700mb CD you can see that the quality is no where near that of a dvd
and onceyou compress ityou can't get it back so to convert it "up" to dvd is a waste of time and money imo because for the most part you will have the exact same picture quality

and the reason you see VHS > M2V > DVD traded isbecause VHS is the "master" and there isno better source
now if you see VHS (from digital master) > M2V >DVD then thats no good because there is a better source then the VHS

the bottom line is that you want to try and have the best quality traded
just like with cds, you don't want the cd made from a tape someones friend s gave to a friend
you want the one made from the master

[jellyfish]

Jelly
you don't know/understand what you are talking about
there are different "kinds" of mpg
mpg2 or m2v is a DVD file, however 99% of the mpgs around are mpg1 which is compressed farmore then a m2v file

for example if i take a MiniDV tape and import it direct to my comp it takes 2GB of storage for every 9:28 of video
now lests say i have 1 hr thats approx 12GB of storage needed
i convert that to MPG2/M2V and make it 4GB at a bitrate of 8
i can compress it more by using a lower bitrate if i want
OR
by converting it to mpg (plain old mpg -- like the mpg you have of 12/28/93)
now if i dothat and make a mpg/vcd that fits a 700mb CD you can see that the quality is no where near that of a dvd
and onceyou compress ityou can't get it back so to convert it "up" to dvd is a waste of time and money imo because for the most part you will have the exact same picture quality

and the reason you see VHS > M2V > DVD traded isbecause VHS is the "master" and there isno better source
now if you see VHS (from digital master) > M2V >DVD then thats no good because there is a better source then the VHS

the bottom line is that you want to try and have the best quality traded
just like with cds, you don't want the cd made from a tape someones friend s gave to a friend
you want the one made from the master

Well, thank you for humbling me. But, yes I have no clue about the new technology out there and the size of the files when they are transfered to a computer. You got me there. But, I was referring to quality loss from VHS to DVD. And I have done sevreal of them and there is no quality loss. Apparently, we have two different concepts of wasting time. And I would much rather watch it on my DVD player than my computer.


The bold section apply below.

I dont think there is a better source available for this particular show unless you are the taper and have the orignal VHS copy.

Oh wel,l I will just make one for me & my friends who are interested. I will even put a disclaimer saying that this DVD should not be traded or B & p'd into the DMB trading pool.

[jellyfish]

Hey, Im not sure if this is Kosher amongst the community & am not sure if it has been done already. What I want to do is convert the UTTAD or RTT record release to DVD format. It was shot with a camcorder by an udience member. I had the mpg and it was reeally good quality and surprised I havent seen it hosted anywhere.

Question 1: Is it cool if I do that? are there rules against it. If they are I will only do it for personal use and wont spread it.

Question 2: Has this show been converted before to DVD?

Anywya, I can't find my copy of it and was wondering if anybody would be willing to AIM it or something. Thanks for your help!

I checked the DVD FAQ and didn;t see anything pertaining to what I want to do.

I have those if you want them on DVD

Do you have the mpg? I really want that. i like to author my own DVD's.

I cant beleive I can't find it. I think I got that off of Kazaa several years ago.

[GrateDMB21]

I have the DVDs sorry.

[Kukini]

Hey, Im not sure if this is Kosher amongst the community & am not sure if it has been done already. What I want to do is convert the UTTAD or RTT record release to DVD format. It was shot with a camcorder by an udience member. I had the mpg and it was reeally good quality and surprised I havent seen it hosted anywhere.

Question 1: Is it cool if I do that? are there rules against it. If they are I will only do it for personal use and wont spread it.

Question 2: Has this show been converted before to DVD?

Anywya, I can't find my copy of it and was wondering if anybody would be willing to AIM it or something. Thanks for your help!

I checked the DVD FAQ and didn;t see anything pertaining to what I want to do.

I have those if you want them on DVD

Do you have the mpg? I really want that. i like to author my own DVD's.

I cant beleive I can't find it. I think I got that off of Kazaa several years ago.

I have it, AIM me.

[jellyfish]

Hey, Im not sure if this is Kosher amongst the community & am not sure if it has been done already. What I want to do is convert the UTTAD or RTT record release to DVD format. It was shot with a camcorder by an udience member. I had the mpg and it was reeally good quality and surprised I havent seen it hosted anywhere.

Question 1: Is it cool if I do that? are there rules against it. If they are I will only do it for personal use and wont spread it.

Question 2: Has this show been converted before to DVD?

Anywya, I can't find my copy of it and was wondering if anybody would be willing to AIM it or something. Thanks for your help!

I checked the DVD FAQ and didn;t see anything pertaining to what I want to do.

I have those if you want them on DVD

Do you have the mpg? I really want that. i like to author my own DVD's.

I cant beleive I can't find it. I think I got that off of Kazaa several years ago.

I have it, AIM me.

Thanks man.

[willndmb]

Well, thank you for humbling me. But, yes I have no clue about the new technology out there and the size of the files when they are transfered to a computer. You got me there. But, I was referring to quality loss from VHS to DVD. And I have done sevreal of them and there is no quality loss. Apparently, we have two different concepts of wasting time. And I would much rather watch it on my DVD player than my computer.


I dont think there is a better source available for this particular show unless you are the taper and have the orignal VHS copy.

Oh wel,l I will just make one for me & my friends who are interested. I will even put a disclaimer saying that this DVD should not be traded or B & p'd into the DMB trading pool.

well chances are it wasn't recorded to VHS, it was prob recorded to HI8 or VHSc
but at any rate the chances of finding the master for this show is slim at this point
and i agree that thereis no noticable loss from VHS > DVD
but from VHS, Digital (anything) > mpg there is a huge loss
again 60mins goes anywhere from 12GB down to 700MB
so like I said if you already have a mpg compressed down to under 700MB that will play on your dvd player as a vcd it doesn't make sence to convert it to dvd and waste time and money
you can also look/think about it as taking a wav, compressing it to mp3, and reburning it at wav -- once its compressed you can't getback what was lost
and since its already been done i really don't see the value of doing it again