B-Sides and Live Songs

m98ter · Unread post by **m98ter** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:09 pm

According to the site creaters, whats the definition of the two? For as long as I've been listening to music, a B-side is a song which a band has released on a cd other than one of their own (other than the old record stuff which is pointless to get into), such as a soudtrack or compilation of some kind. An example might be something like "Where Are You Going" had it not been released on Busted Stuff but only the Deeds soundtrack. Same situation with whatever song was redone for the Matrix...wasn't it "When the World Ends."? Regardless though, why were some of those songs put into the B-side category and some Live? I could see putting them there if those B-side songs were on any mass produced cd, but I know several if not all aren't (not to keen on my matthews discography other than the band releases...some of these could be on the live cd's I don't have). Take "Stay or leave" for example though, I know it hasn't ever been released on any cd, so why is it a b-side? Following from that, why is "Granny" considered a live song when its on Luther College? Somebody please clear this up for me, cause I'm confused.

DreaminBassMunky · Unread post by **DreaminBassMunky** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:31 pm

sorry if this is a stupid post I didn't read all of your post cause I am kind of lazy.

The idea of a B-side is the song or songs that were on the back of records, like actual records. I guess in this case they were just songs in which a studio version exsists, whereas the live songs, on this site, do not have a studio version. Such as #36, and what not.

I think that answers your question...sort of.

cave_cricket · Unread post by **cave_cricket** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 11:25 pm

live songs are songs that appear on an official live release from the band

b-side is an unreleased track...not on an official release

the only one that really contradicts my assumption is What Will Become of Me.....

oh well I took a stab at it

m98ter · Unread post by **m98ter** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 1:12 am

I know all about the old record B-side terminology, but I dont think that applies in this case. But Cave, you say that a B-side is an unreleased track not on an official band release? I couldn't agree and disagree more, as thats almost my definition of B-side. But what is confusing to me is the fact that these tracks havent ever been released at all on any album. Thus, they can't be a b-side.....but rather they are just unreleased tracks. To be a b-side, from what my 9 years of listening to music and being around it tell me, is that b-sides are tracks that a band has released on other cd's...ie soundtracks, tribute cd's, guest apperances on other albums, or like dave and his song on that new taylor cd...those would be b-sides. These songs are just unreleased right? I could throw out some examples from other bands, but I don't know if anyone else listens to them or not.....like Suzanne by Weezer....not on any Weezer cd, but on the Mallrats soundtrack. Anyone get what I'm saying? I can now see how the two different sets of songs are divided, but I'm just not sure if B-side is the appropriate terminiology for them.

Speenis · Unread post by **Speenis** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 1:29 am

OK, let me take a stab at this... A song in the live category is a song that is not released on a studio album, just a live album. A B side is a song that hasn't been released on either. I guess the only exception would be ASTB because I believe it was on LiC. Does that help????

m98ter · Unread post by **m98ter** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 1:55 am

Yeah, I can see the division and its perfectly clear. The only thing is, in the broad term of "music," B-sides are typically officially released songs released on albums other than the bands.

cave_cricket · Unread post by **cave_cricket** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 8:53 am

m98ter wrote:Yeah, I can see the division and its perfectly clear. The only thing is, in the broad term of "music," B-sides are typically officially released songs released on albums other than the bands.

i thought b-sides were just that....on the vinyl record when they released a single they would put a song on the other side (the b side)...it was usually something rare that aren't on their original albumn...not necessarily on a soundtrack or something like that

DreaminBassMunky · Unread post by **DreaminBassMunky** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:44 am

yeh thats what I was trying to get at.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 6:30 pm

Munky is right, the b-side of the record is the "filler" of the record that was just there to fill the other side. for instance, hendrix's first single "hey joe" had "stone free" on the b-side (which is weird because i think stone free is a better song)

basically, dave doesn't have any b-sides because none of his records are on vinyl, maybe kanter just needed to make a category for those songs and could think of nothing else (sounds kind of appropriate anyway)

DMBFan63 · Unread post by **DMBFan63** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 6:46 pm

The reason granny is a live song, is because the only recordings they have of it, are live. Such as Live at Luther College, thats live, but recorded..

DreaminBassMunky · Unread post by **DreaminBassMunky** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 8:49 pm

DMBFan63 wrote:The reason granny is a live song, is because the only recordings they have of it, are live. Such as Live at Luther College, thats live, but recorded..

exactly. A B-side is a song that was recorded in the studio but never released, and live songs were never recorded in the studio, they just came out on the road.

firedancer86 · Unread post by **firedancer86** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 9:28 pm

I am also lazy...

B_SIDES>>> in the studio or loose ends - not on official album

LIVE>>> only ever played live (no official or B-SIDE release)

simple as that

m98ter · Unread post by **m98ter** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 12:58 am

fatjack wrote:Munky is right, the b-side of the record is the "filler" of the record that was just there to fill the other side. for instance, hendrix's first single "hey joe" had "stone free" on the b-side (which is weird because i think stone free is a better song)

basically, dave doesn't have any b-sides because none of his records are on vinyl, maybe kanter just needed to make a category for those songs and could think of nothing else (sounds kind of appropriate anyway)

I finally figured out the definition of B-side as it pertains to a CD medium, and it's this......A song that is not released on the bands official albums but appears on one of their singles as a back up song to the single released. An example is something like Yellow Ledbetter by Pearl Jam. It was the accompanying song to the A-side Jeremy. To my knowledge, the DMB doesnt release singles CD's do they....even in the past? If not, those songs can't be b-sides. I'm starting to feel really anal about this whole thing though. I don't care what kanter calls them, but what it boils down to, is the fact that the DMB doesnt have any authentic B-sides (as was pointed out in the above qoute). Anything unreleased is just unreleased....not a B-side untill it gets on a single. But who really cares.....not me anymore.....I'm just trying to make the distinction that a b-side isn't just some unreleased song not on an album.

Speenis · Unread post by **Speenis** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 1:05 am

They sure do release singles, check this out...
http://www.nancies.org/music/discography/

m98ter · Unread post by **m98ter** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 1:23 am

Hmmmm....I didnt ever know they did singles....guess cause I haven't been a big fan for very long. Doesn't change anything though, considering all of the b-sides to the singles are on other albums and none of our b-sides on the site are on the singles. But whatever...

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