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Unread post by howyadoin » Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:52 pm

Does anyone have a good lyric interpretation of #41? i did a search and had trouble getting results. thanks

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there is a 'view lyrics' option under the tab on this site.
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Re: #41

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howyadoin wrote:Does anyone have a good lyric interpretation of #41? i did a search and had trouble getting results. thanks
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GSR wrote:
howyadoin wrote:Does anyone have a good lyric interpretation of #41? i did a search and had trouble getting results. thanks
ooooooh. what does that even mean?
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Unread post by a1075dd63aa12 » Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:47 pm

b_fost wrote:
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howyadoin wrote:Does anyone have a good lyric interpretation of #41? i did a search and had trouble getting results. thanks
ooooooh. what does that even mean?
what is the song about, what is the deeper meaning behind the song

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Unread post by brian_ok » Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:49 pm

thanks, it's an off day.
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Unread post by czech » Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:52 pm

my understanding is that it is about dave's old guitar instructer accusing him of ripping off his style. More or less saying "dave chords" are his chords and dave stole them.

I've also heard it was a fight with an old friend, manager, etc... many different versions of the story.

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Unread post by ballmeblazer » Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:17 pm

czech wrote:my understanding is that it is about dave's old guitar instructer accusing him of ripping off his style. More or less saying "dave chords" are his chords and dave stole them.
that's what I read somewhere, I think it was over at Nancies, or maybe even here. either way, a brilliant song about something that seems to be almost petty.

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Unread post by mattinbeloit » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:18 am

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czech wrote:my understanding is that it is about dave's old guitar instructer accusing him of ripping off his style. More or less saying "dave chords" are his chords and dave stole them.
that's what I read somewhere, I think it was over at Nancies, or maybe even here. either way, a brilliant song about something that seems to be almost petty.
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Unread post by fede » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:06 pm

I think (besides that meaning written above before) it talks about that strange feeling of being useless, and while one may be able to rescue others, perhaps be the best thing in their lives, their rejection is almost compulsory (sp?).

Maybe the rain and the future can clean all the dirt in your soul.

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Unread post by howyadoin » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:50 pm

thanks for the thoughts

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Unread post by ShumurooGURU » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:18 pm

Ah, you guys must be talking about "Ross Hoffman" as the guitar teacher...

Ross is "Lauren Hoffman's" father, look that up sometime, and Ross was a huge factor to Dave's style in the late 80's - Early 90's. Ross designed alot of the chord structures and riffs for Dave.

When Dave got huge, Ross just wanted some of the credit, like anyone would of if you helped someone the way he did.

Sounds petty, and in a way it was, but he just wanted what was rightfully his collaberation, and Dave pretty much forgot about him, as well as many others once he got to the top. There was a time when Dave told Rolling Stones he was from Richmond instead of Charlottesville, (where he from in the US at least) and it pissed alot of people off. The people of Charlottesville nutured his art and helped him in alot of ways, and for him to turn his nose at them now that he made it, made people angry. So, with that, some people sued him.

I didnt realize thats what #41 was about, but if it was, there's two sides to that story.

Same thing with Peter Grisar, he worked on many of the songs, and he should get his fair share for co-writing them, and he did.

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Unread post by ShumurooGURU » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:25 pm

This is from the book "Dave Matthews Band, Step into the Light" and this is a direct quote from the book. "Matthews says that "#41," a poignant song with striking vocal octave jumps and sustained falsetto holds, was written around the time he had a parting of ways with longtime friend and business associate Ross Hoffman. "I was thinking about where I come from, and why I wrote songs and what was my inspiration. And how I was now in this situation where those things that I'd done, I so loved, had now suddenly become a source of incredible pain for me. Suddenly, there's all this money and people pulling, asking, 'Where's Mine?' The wild dogs come out. The innocense of just wanting to make music was kinda overshadowed by the dark things that come along with money and success. So it's a song about looking back, but at the same time, a song that's still adamantly looking forward and going,'But I'm still going to carry on, regardless'"

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Unread post by czech » Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:11 pm

ShumurooGURU wrote:Ah, you guys must be talking about "Ross Hoffman" as the guitar teacher...

Ross is "Lauren Hoffman's" father, look that up sometime, and Ross was a huge factor to Dave's style in the late 80's - Early 90's. Ross designed alot of the chord structures and riffs for Dave.

When Dave got huge, Ross just wanted some of the credit, like anyone would of if you helped someone the way he did.

Sounds petty, and in a way it was, but he just wanted what was rightfully his collaberation, and Dave pretty much forgot about him, as well as many others once he got to the top. There was a time when Dave told Rolling Stones he was from Richmond instead of Charlottesville, (where he from in the US at least) and it pissed alot of people off. The people of Charlottesville nutured his art and helped him in alot of ways, and for him to turn his nose at them now that he made it, made people angry. So, with that, some people sued him.

I didnt realize thats what #41 was about, but if it was, there's two sides to that story.

Same thing with Peter Grisar, he worked on many of the songs, and he should get his fair share for co-writing them, and he did.
I would like to see this rolling stone article. And if it was published I highly doubt it was him turnign his back on charlottesville or whatever, not many people know where charlottesville is, we all obviously do, but most people dont, so maybe it was just a way to generalize the area.

and as far as the guitar instructer.. he didn't "create" these chords. I'm sure people have known and played these chords long before him, and it's not like you can copywriite how to play a chord. If he had no creative hand then he doesnt deserve credit, if he didnt want him playign those chords why did he teach them to him?

what are they supposed to do, write them royalty checks and give them props at shows, 'This salsa breakdown goes out to our old keyboardist Peter "probably hanging in someone's closet" Greiser!'

i just think its silly to worry about things like that.

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Unread post by ShumurooGURU » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:47 pm

What I'm saying is that Dave came over with a general riff, and Ross helped him form a song from it.

If someone came over to your house and you offered to help him scan, photoshop, frame, and tag all his random photographs and he went on to make millions... would you be a bit interested in your share?

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