I'm not trying to pick a fight....

[i like tictacs]

there are only a handful of songs from a studio album that are better on the album than live.

dmb IS a live band, that's just a known fact.

[Nitro1515]

there are only a handful of songs from a studio album that are better on the album than live.

dmb IS a live band, that's just a known fact.

I know they are primarily thought of as a live band, but they are capable of being a studio band as well. Your making it sound like they suck in the studio which couldn't be further from the truth.

[Appfro]

there are only a handful of songs from a studio album that are better on the album than live.

dmb IS a live band, that's just a known fact.

I know they are primarily thought of as a live band, but they are capable of being a studio band as well. Your making it sound like they suck in the studio which couldn't be further from the truth.

yea, you guys are arguing terms is the problem. saying that they are a live band almost insinuates that they wouldn't be very good on album or that they would only make an album to put out half-assed versions of the song that they will be playing live...which we like to call stand up. but i have to go w/ nitro on this one (surprise for you huh tic tac ) but we know how awesome they can be in the studio by their first albums. few bands that i know of are that good both places. i miss the days where their studio work at least competed w/ their live work

[You_Enjoy_Myself]

I think all of you should stop whining about the new dmb sound and widen your horizons if you don't like the direction they're heading.

*leaves thread*

that sucks as a comment. i listen to a lot of bands who have changed their sound (MUCH more drastically than dmb has) over the years. the change is not the problem. it's that the change wasn't good.

my horizons don't need shit.

*stops off*

I don't comprehend this.

wow mitch. i mean seriously. when did you get so assholish and defensive. it's not like i knocked on their door and put my finger in their face. it seems you've only read one statement of mine and none of the rest (which is the story of my dmbtabs career) so you decided to pick it apart and forget about everything else i've said in here.

that really is a horrible statement. paraphrase...if you don't like what's happened, then change your opinion...rediculous. i'm not sure why people who do like the album have decided to see us who don't as whiny bitches but it's a reoccuring theme in this thread and the other. we don't like it, we're allowed to express our opinion...you get over it.

if i work in a factory and i'm suppose to make 10 products a day and i only make 9 one day, someone might say "it's not that bad in comparison." the next day i make 8. if they compare that to the 9 that i made yesterday they may say "it's not that bad in comparison" but if they compare it to the 10 they they might say "uh oh, i think he's slipping."

you guys are comparing the new album to "where the band has gone" (busted stuff NOT LW sessions and everyday) i'm comparing them to their 10...BTCS, Crash, UTTAD. forgive me for thinking that they're slipping a bit. i'm not going to change my opinon of music for any band. and like i told mike, if i give up hope for dave making better music, then i might as well not even pick up the next album.

so in short...spare me your "everyone who hates the album is a whiny bitch" speach...it's been done in here already.

First off, let's not get into insults here Mitch. Calling me assholish doesn't help your argument in any way. Secondly, in no way am I defending the new album, I really don't like it much. Your "paraphrasing" of my statement was also way off. "If you don't like what's happened, then change your opinion." NO. That is not what I meant. I meant if you don't like the way the band has been heading, maybe take a little break from them and come back to them in a few months.

I also liked how you used quotes in your last little sentence there, even though I didn't say that.

[jellyfish]

The abundance of threads derived solely on the mediocracy of this album astounds me. Who cares people.... It's extremely simple, don't listen to the studio album & wait and see what direction Batson takes them in on the next album.

The songs are good live.

When was the last time you listened to a Grateful dead or Phish studio album? We all know they are better live, just as DMB is.

Chill people.

Agreed, however the Dead usually toured for the fuck of it and Phish and DMB tour and often tour in support of new album releases (well, Phish DID). I can't really compare the voluminous song catalog of the Dead to DMB's current set list consisting of 80% SU songs and a couple of old school favorites.

This new album and tour for me is not my thing, that's all. I'm not losing sleep over this fact.

You're looking too hard into my post. I guess I should have said the obvious, DMB is a live band.

No they aren't. They made 4 great studio albums and were on the verge of making a 5th. Just because they are so great live doesn't mean they can cash it in, in the studio. They have the ability to make great studio albums, and it sucks that they don't seem to care about studio work as much as they used to.

Yes, Gianni they are a touring band. How do you think they got their name around in the early days? They did it by touring everywhere and anywhere, which makes them a great LIVE band because they have done it incessantly for nearly 15 years.

But besides that... My point shouldn't be arguable. They are better LIVE than in the studio.

[jellyfish]

there are only a handful of songs from a studio album that are better on the album than live.

dmb IS a live band, that's just a known fact.

I know they are primarily thought of as a live band, but they are capable of being a studio band as well. Your making it sound like they suck in the studio which couldn't be further from the truth.

Why are you so hung up on studio work. i will never judge a band until I see them LIVE. Third Eye Blind had a great album. But hearing them made me lose ALL respect for them.

That also goes for any rap artist.

[i am sam2]

there are only a handful of songs from a studio album that are better on the album than live.

dmb IS a live band, that's just a known fact.

I know they are primarily thought of as a live band, but they are capable of being a studio band as well. Your making it sound like they suck in the studio which couldn't be further from the truth.

Why are you so hung up on studio work. i will never judge a band until I see them LIVE. Third Eye Blind had a great album. But hearing them made me lose ALL respect for them.

That also goes for any rap artist.

i feel the same way...live is the measure of the band in my opinion...you dont get 30 takes with editing when youre on stage

[Nitro1515]

The abundance of threads derived solely on the mediocracy of this album astounds me. Who cares people.... It's extremely simple, don't listen to the studio album & wait and see what direction Batson takes them in on the next album.

The songs are good live.

When was the last time you listened to a Grateful dead or Phish studio album? We all know they are better live, just as DMB is.

Chill people.

Agreed, however the Dead usually toured for the fuck of it and Phish and DMB tour and often tour in support of new album releases (well, Phish DID). I can't really compare the voluminous song catalog of the Dead to DMB's current set list consisting of 80% SU songs and a couple of old school favorites.

This new album and tour for me is not my thing, that's all. I'm not losing sleep over this fact.

You're looking too hard into my post. I guess I should have said the obvious, DMB is a live band.

No they aren't. They made 4 great studio albums and were on the verge of making a 5th. Just because they are so great live doesn't mean they can cash it in, in the studio. They have the ability to make great studio albums, and it sucks that they don't seem to care about studio work as much as they used to.

Yes, Gianni they are a touring band. How do you think they got their name around in the early days? They did it by touring everywhere and anywhere, which makes them a great LIVE band because they have done it incessantly for nearly 15 years.

But besides that... My point shouldn't be arguable. They are better LIVE than in the studio.

I'm not arguing with you. I'm well aware they are thought of primarily as a live band, and for good reason they are absolutely amazing live. All I'm trying to say is that just because they are outstanding live doesn't mean that they have to suck in the studio. Your just making excuses for their last couple albums.

[Nitro1515]

there are only a handful of songs from a studio album that are better on the album than live.

dmb IS a live band, that's just a known fact.

I know they are primarily thought of as a live band, but they are capable of being a studio band as well. Your making it sound like they suck in the studio which couldn't be further from the truth.

Why are you so hung up on studio work. i will never judge a band until I see them LIVE. Third Eye Blind had a great album. But hearing them made me lose ALL respect for them.

That also goes for any rap artist.

I guess I have a problem with them not living up to their past studio potential, that's all. People wait and wait for new studio work from this band and when it doesn't live up to the talent they possess I'm sorry, but I'm going to be slightly upset.

[Machtimus]

blah blah blah

Dave Matthews Band rocks

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[Appfro]

I think all of you should stop whining about the new dmb sound and widen your horizons if you don't like the direction they're heading.

*leaves thread*

that sucks as a comment. i listen to a lot of bands who have changed their sound (MUCH more drastically than dmb has) over the years. the change is not the problem. it's that the change wasn't good.

my horizons don't need shit.

*stops off*

I don't comprehend this.

wow mitch. i mean seriously. when did you get so assholish and defensive. it's not like i knocked on their door and put my finger in their face. it seems you've only read one statement of mine and none of the rest (which is the story of my dmbtabs career) so you decided to pick it apart and forget about everything else i've said in here.

that really is a horrible statement. paraphrase...if you don't like what's happened, then change your opinion...rediculous. i'm not sure why people who do like the album have decided to see us who don't as whiny bitches but it's a reoccuring theme in this thread and the other. we don't like it, we're allowed to express our opinion...you get over it.

if i work in a factory and i'm suppose to make 10 products a day and i only make 9 one day, someone might say "it's not that bad in comparison." the next day i make 8. if they compare that to the 9 that i made yesterday they may say "it's not that bad in comparison" but if they compare it to the 10 they they might say "uh oh, i think he's slipping."

you guys are comparing the new album to "where the band has gone" (busted stuff NOT LW sessions and everyday) i'm comparing them to their 10...BTCS, Crash, UTTAD. forgive me for thinking that they're slipping a bit. i'm not going to change my opinon of music for any band. and like i told mike, if i give up hope for dave making better music, then i might as well not even pick up the next album.

so in short...spare me your "everyone who hates the album is a whiny bitch" speach...it's been done in here already.

First off, let's not get into insults here Mitch. Calling me assholish doesn't help your argument in any way. Secondly, in no way am I defending the new album, I really don't like it much. Your "paraphrasing" of my statement was also way off. "If you don't like what's happened, then change your opinion." NO. That is not what I meant. I meant if you don't like the way the band has been heading, maybe take a little break from them and come back to them in a few months.

I also liked how you used quotes in your last little sentence there, even though I didn't say that.

ok. i wasn't trying to call you an asshole. i said you were acting assholish, which i thought you were. sorry, it wasn't meant as a direct insult, just a generalization of the attitude of your post. i'm tired of people saying i'm whining just because i voice my opinion. that's bullshit and it always will be. sorry to get all pissy at you but it was more of the hair that broke the camel's back and i'm sick of being told to stop whining for saying i don't like something.
the quotes were for the title of every lecture i've heard in this thread since i and other said they didn't like the album, not yours particularly.
the mis-paraphrasing was a true miscomunication. it seemed to me that's what you were saying. again, i appologize. but you have to understand it's not like i'm sitting in my room listening to stand up and talking about how much it sucks. truth be told, i've probably listened to it half a dozen times and that's it. so like jay said, my horizon's are fine. this thread is about the stand up album, not about other bands we listen to while not listening to the stand up album.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here. You're gonna tell one of the most successful bands of the last decade how they need to act?

that's another reason i said you were being assholish. dont' take the shit personally. i wasn't talking about your band. and besides, like i said before, it's not like i'm kicking their door down, putting my finger in their face and making demands. it was a general statement. get over yourself.

[thepigs41ststep]

i have no problem when the band evolves or matures because then i get to hear better music, but stand up was in no way maturing or evolving. the band took an obvious step back, an easy way out. dont get me wrong its a cool album and everything but when you have a drummer like carter and one of the best song writers ever being dave you should be able to do alot more with stand up then mr batson did

[Trippin Hillbilly]

It's more about respect than anything else. I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Its your god given right. But jesus, thats just my general opinion.

I give my full respect to the band, as they deserve it. That's completely separate from an album. I can't respect an album simply because the musicians are fantastic and had 4 great records 7 years ago if it isn't a good album by itself.

a band is only as good as their last album... which means dmb is a big flaming pile of donkey turd

[i am sam2]

It's more about respect than anything else. I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Its your god given right. But jesus, thats just my general opinion.

I give my full respect to the band, as they deserve it. That's completely separate from an album. I can't respect an album simply because the musicians are fantastic and had 4 great records 7 years ago if it isn't a good album by itself.

a band is only as good as their last album... which means dmb is a big flaming pile of donkey turd

is that a joke?

[Trippin Hillbilly]

It's more about respect than anything else. I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Its your god given right. But jesus, thats just my general opinion.

I give my full respect to the band, as they deserve it. That's completely separate from an album. I can't respect an album simply because the musicians are fantastic and had 4 great records 7 years ago if it isn't a good album by itself.

a band is only as good as their last album... which means dmb is a big flaming pile of donkey turd

is that a joke?

yesh sir