Dmb has not peaked

[jellyfish]

My angle was such that DMB haven't peaked from a playing music point of view, that entails solos, tight jams, & etc. Things like the above mentioned can only get better -->The longer they play the tighter they will be. I certainly don't see them getting worse, do you?

Depends. If the drive to create and to perform isn't as strong, I think it shows when they play. And I think it's showing right now. Not that it's bad, mind you, but their drive to bring music to people and pour their heart out on stage has definitely peaked. You just can't tour for 13, 14 years and have the same magic as it did during your breakout years. Yeah, they're tighter, but I think it's due to being overly comfortable.

I mean, you can practice a piece of classical music 40 billion times and get tighter every time. But if you don't have the feeling behind it, it's going to be apparent. I think they've still got it, don't get me wrong...but that feeling behind what they create is just not as strong as it used to be.

Sure, they're probably not going to get "worse" from a technical standpoint. But they're not going to get better overall. They peaked, plain and simple.

I understand where you are coming from but are speaking solely on their "passion". And IMO, that has nothing to do with peaking as musicians. Peaking is reaching your plateu with respect to your abilities to play the instrument or how well they play together as a a group.

[mbgreen]

My angle was such that DMB haven't peaked from a playing music point of view, that entails solos, tight jams, & etc. Things like the above mentioned can only get better -->The longer they play the tighter they will be. I certainly don't see them getting worse, do you?

Depends. If the drive to create and to perform isn't as strong, I think it shows when they play. And I think it's showing right now. Not that it's bad, mind you, but their drive to bring music to people and pour their heart out on stage has definitely peaked. You just can't tour for 13, 14 years and have the same magic as it did during your breakout years. Yeah, they're tighter, but I think it's due to being overly comfortable.

I mean, you can practice a piece of classical music 40 billion times and get tighter every time. But if you don't have the feeling behind it, it's going to be apparent. I think they've still got it, don't get me wrong...but that feeling behind what they create is just not as strong as it used to be.

Sure, they're probably not going to get "worse" from a technical standpoint. But they're not going to get better overall. They peaked, plain and simple.

I understand where you are coming from but are speaking solely on their "passion". And IMO, that has nothing to do with peaking as musicians. Peaking is reaching your plateu with respect to your abilities to play the instrument or how well they play together as a a group.

You really think passion and playing ability aren't directly related? I just don't agree. Being a musician entails a lot more than just mechanical ability to play. I think the band can get better mechanically, but if there isn't feeling behind it (or if there's less than there used to be,) it's quite apparent. And the improvement in mechanics is far outweighed by what's behind the playing in my opinion.

[coyoteguy]

damn, this turned out to be a good post

[Davy28]

Intelligent and well thought out for a change.

[c_tietze]

Intelligent and well thought out for a change.

Take a peek at the user names, the folks who posted herein are usually decent and intelligent (my main reason for coming back). It takes a little more to disagree tactfully instead of resorting to kid's games.

This really is one of the better threads.

Peace,

C

[Mikey]

Intelligent and well thought out for a change.

Take a peek at the user names, the folks who posted herein are usually decent and intelligent (my main reason for coming back). It takes a little more to disagree tactfully instead of resorting to kid's games.

This really is one of the better threads.
Peace,

C

This is really one of the better boards overall.

[jellyfish]

My angle was such that DMB haven't peaked from a playing music point of view, that entails solos, tight jams, & etc. Things like the above mentioned can only get better -->The longer they play the tighter they will be. I certainly don't see them getting worse, do you?

Depends. If the drive to create and to perform isn't as strong, I think it shows when they play. And I think it's showing right now. Not that it's bad, mind you, but their drive to bring music to people and pour their heart out on stage has definitely peaked. You just can't tour for 13, 14 years and have the same magic as it did during your breakout years. Yeah, they're tighter, but I think it's due to being overly comfortable.

I mean, you can practice a piece of classical music 40 billion times and get tighter every time. But if you don't have the feeling behind it, it's going to be apparent. I think they've still got it, don't get me wrong...but that feeling behind what they create is just not as strong as it used to be.

Sure, they're probably not going to get "worse" from a technical standpoint. But they're not going to get better overall. They peaked, plain and simple.

I understand where you are coming from but are speaking solely on their "passion". And IMO, that has nothing to do with peaking as musicians. Peaking is reaching your plateu with respect to your abilities to play the instrument or how well they play together as a a group.

You really think passion and playing ability aren't directly related? I just don't agree. Being a musician entails a lot more than just mechanical ability to play. I think the band can get better mechanically, but if there isn't feeling behind it (or if there's less than there used to be,) it's quite apparent. And the improvement in mechanics is far outweighed by what's behind the playing in my opinion.

I respect that and I understand where you are coming from. I will have to agree to disagree on this issue though. I say this because primarily of their last album and the interviews associated with it.

For the majority of the past ten years songs like OSW (played 456 times) #41, (played 419 times), & SMTS (played 495 times) have been played to their death. I would only think it's natural to be bored of these songs, especially if you play them night after night. Therefore, you are correct in the idea that they have lost their passion.

But, this doesn't mean they peaked, this means they are simply bored with the same songs they have been playing. Have you seen the interviews of the new album? DMB seemed very gitty to release and play these new songs that are COMPLETELY different than their typical "hedonistic" songs. I just think they were bored with the old material and have fallen in a rut. And I bet they were a bit nervous to introduce these songs to their fans due to the fact that these songs don't represent what the fans love them for.

Anyway, I still think they have alot more in them..... And I hope you aren't right.

J-

[c_tietze]

...these new songs that are COMPLETELY different than their typical "hedonistic" songs.

Absolutely perfect quote, I agree totally. These are the songs that I like the BEST though. I guess you could say these types of earlier DMB tunes make me feel like I did when I started going to shows and was just living it up. I identify with these songs.

I've given the new disc quite a few listens, and to me, it's not bad, but it's still nothing that really impresses me or interests me as much as many of the older material. The live versions of the same songs are of course, to me, a lot better. DMB is a band that you just have to see live.

My only true hope is that DMB continues to make music.

[mlb1399]

I think up to this point in their career they already have peaked '98-'99. That doesn't necessarily mean they can't peak again. Life is full of ups and downs and I think this holds true for the band.

I think they really need to find themselves with someone who doesn't try and edit what they bring to the table. Even though Everyday was prodcued to be a pop album their briliance and emotion still shines through with songs like Fool to Think, So Right, What You Are, WTWE. The new music they come out with for the Summer '04 tour really got me excited about the possibilities for the new album. I pretty much loved all the songs besides Sugar Will. They all had a hint of their beginnings as well as the maturation and direction they were taking now. I thought there was a lot of potential that somehow got lost in the production.

I think this is best evidenced by LWS. Dave was going through a dark and depressing time and didn't think the fans would like the work. He couldn't be more wrong as that is exactly what we are looking for. We are looking for music that shows his good and bad sides. We want to grow with the band and more specifically Dave's writing. As long as it comes from Dave, and his perspective and emotion are in it I think it's safe to say we all love that creativity. I think Everday and Stand Up filtered out some of that magic.

Just my 2 cents.

[c_tietze]

I think up to this point in their career they already have peaked '98-'99. That doesn't necessarily mean they can't peak again. Life is full of ups and downs and I think this holds true for the band.

I think they really need to find themselves with someone who doesn't try and edit what they bring to the table. Even though Everyday was prodcued to be a pop album their briliance and emotion still shines through with songs like Fool to Think, So Right, What You Are, WTWE. The new music they come out with for the Summer '04 tour really got me excited about the possibilities for the new album. I pretty much loved all the songs besides Sugar Will. They all had a hint of their beginnings as well as the maturation and direction they were taking now. I thought there was a lot of potential that somehow got lost in the production.

I think this is best evidenced by LWS. Dave was going through a dark and depressing time and didn't think the fans would like the work. He couldn't be more wrong as that is exactly what we are looking for. We are looking for music that shows his good and bad sides. We want to grow with the band and more specifically Dave's writing. As long as it comes from Dave, and his perspective and emotion are in it I think it's safe to say we all love that creativity. I think Everday and Stand Up filtered out some of that magic.

Just my 2 cents.

The LS were something wonderful, raw and amazing. I appreciated those tunes so much. BS is a fave of mine, but the LS will forever be a gem in the rough that I always go back to when it's raining and I'm looking out my apartment window at the street below with Jack Daniels in hand an a spliff in the other.

[ericwormann]

So we decided that they peaked, right?

[c_tietze]

So we decided that they peaked, right?

Who the hell knows. I find myself repeating the same ideas over and over with slightly different words. Kind of like when you copy a term paper. (never did it, don't accuse me. LOL)

[jellyfish]

So we decided that they peaked, right?

That's what I despise about these boards. Whatever happened to free thought. Have you ever noticed why I get into arguments? It has alot to do with me not agreeing with "everybody". Yes, I get shit for it. The latest episode goes like this... I said Jay made a ridiculous statement, I didn't say anything negative not positive about his statement. Just said it was more or less a crazy thing to say. Of course it's my opinion that I don't think Chris Martin & gang are superior to DMB. Im sorry, I find that crazy. The rest of the story goes like this. Brock jumpos in and say's I was patronizing, FJ jumped in and said he "loves to call me on my bullshit. These tyoes of people can go fuck themselves & live their little bandwagon lifestyle. Becasue GOD forbid, I dont think Coldplay is better than DMB.

Anyway, back on topic. No winglet, everybody hasn't agreed they peaked as musicians.

[Kahn]

Methinks the band will suprise us all in the future.

[jellyfish]

Methinks the band will suprise us all in the future.

I hope so. Didn't they surprise you with this album? Good or bad, it was still a surprise.