Agree / Disagree with Dave's War Statement???

QuattroDore · Unread post by **QuattroDore** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:06 pm

Yeah, but you get to study the overwhelmingly exciting world of torts AND civil liabilities!

Fasten your seatbelts!

germaine · Unread post by **germaine** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:48 pm

I appoligize for making such a ridicoulas statement. And i am sorry to offend anyone that i may have. It just makes me angry how George Bush doesn't consider the national debt he is creating and who will be paying all of it back in taxes (thats people our age). I also don't approve of the time being spent on his "working vacation" raising money for his next campaign.

Again I am sorry to anger or offend anyone on these boards

QuattroDore · Unread post by **QuattroDore** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:25 am

You can make a statement like that, but just make sure to justify it with your reasoning. You just don't want to be labeled as a person who bashes the president just because he is who he is.

Plus, regarding prez dubya, you'll find its really not that difficult to support your statement. :wink:

isaac · Unread post by **isaac** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:07 am

yes. just find those funny pictures for us where they compare bush to a monkey. that will redeem you.

you wouldn' tneed an argument then.

Unread post by **jpittman** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:43 am

QuattroDore wrote:Yeah, but you get to study the overwhelmingly exciting world of torts AND civil liabilities!

Fasten your seatbelts!

Haha ... don't forget civil procedure; torts can be entertaining, due to the strange and funny (if unfortunate) situations in which the parties find themselves; contracts is tedious at best; civil procedure is simply boring.

germaine wrote:I appoligize for making such a ridicoulas statement. And i am sorry to offend anyone that i may have. It just makes me angry how George Bush doesn't consider the national debt he is creating and who will be paying all of it back in taxes (thats people our age). I also don't approve of the time being spent on his "working vacation" raising money for his next campaign.

Again I am sorry to anger or offend anyone on these boards

Don't worry about it, man... You didn't offend me; I was just trying to make sure that you saw the ridiculous nature of your previous statement.

I'm not exactly a member of the GWB fan club. 8) You just have to be a bit more constructive if you wish to do anything but turn people *away* from your point of view.

Beauford33 · Unread post by **Beauford33** » Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:20 pm

jpittman wrote:
QuattroDore wrote:Yeah, but you get to study the overwhelmingly exciting world of torts AND civil liabilities!

Fasten your seatbelts!
Haha ... don't forget civil procedure; torts can be entertaining, due to the strange and funny (if unfortunate) situations in which the parties find themselves; contracts is tedious at best; civil procedure is simply boring.

germaine wrote:I appoligize for making such a ridicoulas statement. And i am sorry to offend anyone that i may have. It just makes me angry how George Bush doesn't consider the national debt he is creating and who will be paying all of it back in taxes (thats people our age). I also don't approve of the time being spent on his "working vacation" raising money for his next campaign.

Again I am sorry to anger or offend anyone on these boards
Don't worry about it, man... You didn't offend me; I was just trying to make sure that you saw the ridiculous nature of your previous statement.

I'm not exactly a member of the GWB fan club. 8) You just have to be a bit more constructive if you wish to do anything but turn people *away* from your point of view.

Nicely said pittman

isaac · Unread post by **isaac** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:27 pm

heh. does anyone here believe pacifism will ever be achieved?

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:28 pm

isaac wrote:heh. does anyone here believe pacifism will ever be achieved?

nope, its human nature to feel hate towards one another and thusly fight each other

isaac · Unread post by **isaac** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:32 pm

maybe. i suppose. but what if we're a product of our environments?

say we're born on an island. how would we know what we know without anyone to tell us? would we understand the concepts of murder? taking life from another being? or is that imbedded into our heads due to overload of "reality" and the media?

i don't know. just thinking, i guess. sort of makes me depressed that for all our intelligence and how we can build artificial intelligence and physical wonders that supposedly reach the heavens, we still can't solve our damned problems without blowing someone up.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:35 pm

isaac wrote:maybe. i suppose. but what if we're a product of our environments?

say we're born on an island. how would we know what we know without anyone to tell us? would we understand the concepts of murder? taking life from another being? or is that imbedded into our heads due to overload of "reality" and the media?

i don't know. just thinking, i guess. sort of makes me depressed that for all our intelligence and how we can build artificial intelligence and physical wonders that supposedly reach the heavens, we still can't solve our damned problems without blowing someone up.

selfishness is part of our nature as animals... even if we weren't aware of anything involving the media or society today, humans would still fight one another, its just the way it is

bakemm · Unread post by **bakemm** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:46 pm

fatjack wrote:
isaac wrote:maybe. i suppose. but what if we're a product of our environments?

say we're born on an island. how would we know what we know without anyone to tell us? would we understand the concepts of murder? taking life from another being? or is that imbedded into our heads due to overload of "reality" and the media?

i don't know. just thinking, i guess. sort of makes me depressed that for all our intelligence and how we can build artificial intelligence and physical wonders that supposedly reach the heavens, we still can't solve our damned problems without blowing someone up.
selfishness is part of our nature as animals... even if we weren't aware of anything involving the media or society today, humans would still fight one another, its just the way it is

I'd say that we are far more than animals. The fact that we CAN recognize these higher concepts such as selfishness, hate, love, civilization, freedom and a potentially pacifist world takes us far out of the rhelm of animals.

So we got a weak spirit... but the difference is that we have the potential to overcome our own evils (selfishness) because we can recognize it.

....that's not to say that I am not selfish

isaac · Unread post by **isaac** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 4:55 pm

maybe we just made up these concepts. are they really higher? love, quite possibly. i don't think an animal is ever selfish.

is civilization such a good thing? what's your definition?

and freedom from what? each other? that's more "animalistic" than anything.

you know- maybe we just made up evil.

bakemm · Unread post by **bakemm** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 5:35 pm

isaac wrote:maybe we just made up these concepts. are they really higher? love, quite possibly. i don't think an animal is ever selfish.

is civilization such a good thing? what's your definition?

and freedom from what? each other? that's more "animalistic" than anything.

you know- maybe we just made up evil.

It is tough to respond without delving into my personal spiritual background... but I will make an attempt.

Did we make up these concepts... which to me would suggest... did Judeo-Christian doctrine form the human race? I think it is extremely important to recognize that most humans recognize a good and an evil while "animals" do not.... Take for example - rape. In the animal kingdom, rape is simply a necessary tool for a male to "pass on his genes" in the evolutionary sense. It is not looked down upon, rather many males will fight over who will rape a female. (And by rape I mean that the submissive is a non-willing participant). However, in our world rape is looked down upon, extremely "immoral." There is no far-fetched idea in the world that would convince me that one individual someday decided that rape should not occur and that it is wrong, and then continue to convince the world around him that this is a valid civilized law to abide by... I just don't see it happening.

Thus we see the human race as "higher"... are they higher principles? Dear God, I sure hope that they are. I would consider rape as a selfish act... animals are such. I see animals hoarding food, territory, and mates. I see them as above all selfish (and that is what evolution would suggest), animals do anything and everything to advance their own genes to the next generation....

Freedom... by that I mean free will... freedom to choose... I wont go any further or the length of this response would grow immensely.

Tough to ponder... if I was born on a desert island, by myself, somehow survived childhood by miracle, I do believe that after witnessing the first instance of death that I would recognize it as being wrong, because I know that I have life, and I wouldnt want to lose it......

I'll stop now. Love to hear more of your thoughts...

isaac · Unread post by **isaac** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 5:48 pm

eh. heh. i'll get back to you in a bit. have to go and think and chew on this.

i'm in one of those soul searching moods. so don't mind me, and apologies if i offend anyone.

digging for answers again. ishmael and other books have been on my mind.

anyway, for some quick responses though-

i think a lot of our intellect is used to furthur understanding of concepts, not to be hindranced by it. the concepts of good and bad are extremely subjective. someone may think that smoking is bad, but contradictory to that there are millions who smoke around the world (whatever it may be.

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the facts still lie there that yes, smoking tends to be hazardous to one's health, but moral standards when it comes to the situation are up to the individual to make up the mind. sometimes this may be default to the environment around them.

as for your description of an animal, aren't you describing the general human race?

"hoarding food, territory, and mates." look at all the stores of food we take, and look at all the species we wipe out by doing so. we're the ones who are hoarding territory and driving out "lesser beings" with our constant expansion, for what? commerce? bigger towers? and a lot of animals don't hoard mates, i don't think. if anything, we do. animals mate/rape/whatever you want to call it for creation purposes yes, but there's a fine balance that's achieved there. we mate for the hell of it, and killing the world because of it.

humans are doing anything and everything to "advance." technologically. but maybe we're not intellectually ready for it all yet. the neo cortex of the human mind hasn't evolved at all. we're not any smarter. we just happen to make cool things. it's hard to explain.

as for freedom of choice- i do believe in that. choices create who you are and any choice you make at a given time will have major ramifications that are unbeknownst to us. but, length of response would be an issue.

as for the issue of death, that again raises more spiritual questions. to expound upon my beliefs, if you may humor me, with they hypothetical situation of the desert and then witnessing death, you believe that you would recognize it as wrong if only from the experience you have as a person now. for me, death is only a stage of life. our perception of death is only limited to our physical experience, and there is also possibility that death can be a joyous thing, when permitted to happen naturally. but that gets into too many sticky tangents.

now my head hurts more. *chuckles* ah well. thanks for the response though. love discussions like these, as long as they don't turn into bitter arguments.

Granny33 · Unread post by **Granny33** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:45 pm

wow this stuff is way to deep for me. i think i'll go hurt someone to let out my confusion....JK :lol:

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