Dave and rolling stone magazine

[Brock]

i would shoot rolling stone if dave matthews made the best guitarist list.

they gave kurt cobain #12 or something... i agree daves no clapton or hendrix, but hes much more original and more talented than many of the names on their list.

I don't really know what this post means. Are you saying that Matthews should be ranked above Cobain?

[whatshername]

i think rolling stone has been pretty decent dmb.

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yea how the fuck do you become one of the highest grossing touring bands while not being mainstream? thats quite an mpressive feat

So what your saying is your mainstream if you sell a lot of records and get awards and such? Thats not always true. There are a ton of groups that win awards and sell a lot of records that aren't mainstream (ie country, folk, etc...). One band I can remember that was on the underground for a long time, got no air time, sold tons of records, and a huge following was Metallica..they didn't get noticed until their 3rd or 4th albumn mid way through their career. I still consider them more of an underground band.

[Brock]

Metallica ... I still consider them more of an underground band.

Well. Um. Yeah, I don't really know what to say to that. I think it explains why you think DMB isn't mainstream, though.

[Speenis]

Metallica ... I still consider them more of an underground band.

Well. Um. Yeah, I don't really know what to say to that. I think it explains why you think DMB isn't mainstream, though.

especially when their first 3 albums have sold 14 million copies altogether

[a1075dd63aa12]

yea how the fuck do you become one of the highest grossing touring bands while not being mainstream? thats quite an mpressive feat

So what your saying is your mainstream if you sell a lot of records and get awards and such? Thats not always true. There are a ton of groups that win awards and sell a lot of records that aren't mainstream (ie country, folk, etc...). One band I can remember that was on the underground for a long time, got no air time, sold tons of records, and a huge following was Metallica..they didn't get noticed until their 3rd or 4th albumn mid way through their career. I still consider them more of an underground band.

wait wait wait....

lets back up and define mainstream

mainstream
3. belonging to or characteristic of a principal, dominant, or widely accepted group, movement, style, etc.: mainstream Republicans; a mainstream artist.

id say being a high grossing band, winning grammys, having a number 1 album on the billboard charts, being in countless magazines, playing in central park, etc... would make the band mainstream.

[Nitro1515]

I don't know how someone can argue that DMB is some kind of underground cult band, they are just about as mainstream as it gets. Besides, you know your mainstream when one of your buses drops its shit onto a boat and it makes headlines

[Grachi]

mainstream yes

but who cares?

Sounds like those kids who are like "I am awesome and above you because I listen to music that 5 other people have heard and that makes me artistic, original, and obviously I have a better taste in music then you"



i listen to whatever sounds good to me so i dont care what they sell or however popular they are.

Do I listen to classical music and shit like Boyz II Men? yes. do guys fuck with me because I do? yes. Do I care? No. It's better then listening to something you don't want to listen to, but you do just because you feel like you should...

[Nitro1515]

mainstream yes

but who cares?

Sounds like those kids who are like "I am awesome and above you because I listen to music that 5 other people have heard and that makes me artistic, original, and obviously I have a better taste in music then you"

I don't think anyone is saying mainstream is bad.

[Grachi]

mainstream yes

but who cares?

Sounds like those kids who are like "I am awesome and above you because I listen to music that 5 other people have heard and that makes me artistic, original, and obviously I have a better taste in music then you"

I don't think anyone is saying mainstream is bad.

maybe not I was taking some of the posts that way I guess. Or it just made me think of how that is like a big arguement among people so I just wanted to say it

[a1075dd63aa12]

mainstream yes

but who cares?

Sounds like those kids who are like "I am awesome and above you because I listen to music that 5 other people have heard and that makes me artistic, original, and obviously I have a better taste in music then you"



i listen to whatever sounds good to me so i dont care what they sell or however popular they are.

Do I listen to classical music and shit like Boyz II Men? yes. do guys fuck with me because I do? yes. Do I care? No. It's better then listening to something you don't want to listen to, but you do just because you feel like you should...

you read that with some sort of intention to re-interpret the question at hand. there was nothing else to it. there was no judgment passed of any sort based on the quality or "coolness" associated with those who listen to mainstream music. the fact of the matter is dmb is a mainstream band. boyz II men??? ok, but they were mainstream at some point too. i might bust on you about listening to them, but to each their own, everyone here no matter who posts has a guilty pleasure that they enjoy listening to and that is the beauty of music/ art in general. art even if it is produced in a collective setting is meant to be enjoyed in an individual setting, and it is all left up to interpretation. there is never a total concensus on an artistic form, everyone is a hack and everyone is a hero, that just comes with the territory.

[c_tietze]

I think it would be naive to say or hope DMB is still not a mainstream act. Any major label act that tours so often and has print, t.v. and film appearances is nothing less than a mainstream act. That's one of the great things about DMB, the band's propularity is bred from a grass roots following, and underground following, i.e. indie, alternative, etc. Now to say that DMB is anything less than a mainstream act such as U2, Coldplay, Justin Timberlake, etc. is misinformed or one of those people that still holds onto the "good ole" days of DMB back in the late 90's as when the music and experience was "really good".

And I have to say again the Rolling Stone is devoid of anything really well written and honestly it's just a vehicle of Madison Avenue telling people with disposable income who they should worship as an icon, who they should listen to now and whom to dress like, etc. It's all phoney.

[hofdaddy]

I think it would be naive to say or hope DMB is still not a mainstream act. Any major label act that tours so often and has print, t.v. and film appearances is nothing less than a mainstream act. That's one of the great things about DMB, the band's propularity is bred from a grass roots following, and underground following, i.e. indie, alternative, etc. Now to say that DMB is anything less than a mainstream act such as U2, Coldplay, Justin Timberlake, etc. is misinformed or one of those people that still holds onto the "good ole" days of DMB back in the late 90's as when the music and experience was "really good".

And I have to say again the Rolling Stone is devoid of anything really well written and honestly it's just a vehicle of Madison Avenue telling people with disposable income who they should worship as an icon, who they should listen to now and whom to dress like, etc. It's all phoney.

I agree with Matt Pinfield