I'm not trying to pick a fight....

[c_tietze]

But this is going to anyway.

For all of you who hate or do not like Everyday, Busted Stuff, and Stand Up. Its called evolution, or maturing. I mean do you really want to hear the exact same style over and over again. Part of being an artists is maturing, evolving your style. They are growing up, have you. Get over your "burn batson at the cross" rants, get over your "stand up sucks" rants. Its called respect. If you have any respect for a musician you'll respect their work. You don't have to love it, but you have to give them a little love for being such a successful band after all these years.

Love it or leave it.

That's a horrible attitude to have. That's what you call "settling". It's what leads to mediocrity.

Welcome

Honestly, that's a concise explanation of what I've been so fearful of (and rightfully so).

[Nitro1515]

SU is not maturing, it is a step back musically. Pressing the record button while Boyd is warming up and then basing a whole song around one line that you loop the hell out of is no way for this band to make music. They are too talented for that. They had good ideas before they went into the studio and instead they tried something new and it didn't really work out. So of course we can respect them for trying something different, but I'm not going to sit back and accept this band half assing it in the studio which is exactly what they did with SU. Bottom line is they are not trying their hardest and quite frankly I'm getting sick of Dave talking about how easy the past couple albums have been and how it is not like work at all. Hey Dave, would it kill you to bust your ass for a measly 3 months every two years and actually make complex music again.

Are you kidding me? Thats how 90% of songs originate.

Not for this band they don't. If you read any of the interviews about the sessions you would know they have never worked like that before, usually each member would have a more well thoughtout idea they had been working on at home and then bring it into the studio. SU was more improvisational.

I thought you meant all bands. I missed "this", but yeas it is a way to make music. I think AB is probably the best song on the album... & like some say, It's not the Nitro Matthews Band, It's not the DMBtabs Band, It's the Dave Matthews Band.

Perhaps you enjoy the way they worked earlier because better songs came from those sessions. But what you have to realize is that DMB might NOT enjoy playing & recording the way they played for 10 years. They obviously like the way Batson produces which leads into my next point.
The greatest IRONY of all amongst whoever says they HATE Batson. DMB hired him again, therefore you should hate DMB. Doesn't that make sense?

Yes Jason I know its not my band, but as a fan I have the right to criticize about the direction they are going in. And I never said I hate Batson, I just don't think he works with this band with all the looping and synthesizers.

[jellyfish]

SU is not maturing, it is a step back musically. Pressing the record button while Boyd is warming up and then basing a whole song around one line that you loop the hell out of is no way for this band to make music. They are too talented for that. They had good ideas before they went into the studio and instead they tried something new and it didn't really work out. So of course we can respect them for trying something different, but I'm not going to sit back and accept this band half assing it in the studio which is exactly what they did with SU. Bottom line is they are not trying their hardest and quite frankly I'm getting sick of Dave talking about how easy the past couple albums have been and how it is not like work at all. Hey Dave, would it kill you to bust your ass for a measly 3 months every two years and actually make complex music again.

Are you kidding me? Thats how 90% of songs originate.

Not for this band they don't. If you read any of the interviews about the sessions you would know they have never worked like that before, usually each member would have a more well thoughtout idea they had been working on at home and then bring it into the studio. SU was more improvisational.

I thought you meant all bands. I missed "this", but yeas it is a way to make music. I think AB is probably the best song on the album... & like some say, It's not the Nitro Matthews Band, It's not the DMBtabs Band, It's the Dave Matthews Band.

Perhaps you enjoy the way they worked earlier because better songs came from those sessions. But what you have to realize is that DMB might NOT enjoy playing & recording the way they played for 10 years. They obviously like the way Batson produces which leads into my next point.
The greatest IRONY of all amongst whoever says they HATE Batson. DMB hired him again, therefore you should hate DMB. Doesn't that make sense?

Yes Jason I know its not my band, but as a fan I have the right to criticize about the direction they are going in. And I never said I hate Batson, I just don't think he works with this band with all the looping and synthesizers.

But, as a fan, you should also come to the realization that they will evolve whether it's to your liking or not. I admit this last album sucked for the fans, but it seems like they are having the time of their lives playing these new songs. And, that seems to be the bottom line, they are enjoying playing this music. And, I neevr said you Hated Batson, but there are plenty who do & would like them to realize Mark Batson is not holding a gun to there heads while the recording process is taking place. They could have easily chose a new producer and appeased the fans, but obviously they are happy, and as a fan, you should be too.

[Nitro1515]

SU is not maturing, it is a step back musically. Pressing the record button while Boyd is warming up and then basing a whole song around one line that you loop the hell out of is no way for this band to make music. They are too talented for that. They had good ideas before they went into the studio and instead they tried something new and it didn't really work out. So of course we can respect them for trying something different, but I'm not going to sit back and accept this band half assing it in the studio which is exactly what they did with SU. Bottom line is they are not trying their hardest and quite frankly I'm getting sick of Dave talking about how easy the past couple albums have been and how it is not like work at all. Hey Dave, would it kill you to bust your ass for a measly 3 months every two years and actually make complex music again.

Are you kidding me? Thats how 90% of songs originate.

Not for this band they don't. If you read any of the interviews about the sessions you would know they have never worked like that before, usually each member would have a more well thoughtout idea they had been working on at home and then bring it into the studio. SU was more improvisational.

I thought you meant all bands. I missed "this", but yeas it is a way to make music. I think AB is probably the best song on the album... & like some say, It's not the Nitro Matthews Band, It's not the DMBtabs Band, It's the Dave Matthews Band.

Perhaps you enjoy the way they worked earlier because better songs came from those sessions. But what you have to realize is that DMB might NOT enjoy playing & recording the way they played for 10 years. They obviously like the way Batson produces which leads into my next point.
The greatest IRONY of all amongst whoever says they HATE Batson. DMB hired him again, therefore you should hate DMB. Doesn't that make sense?

Yes Jason I know its not my band, but as a fan I have the right to criticize about the direction they are going in. And I never said I hate Batson, I just don't think he works with this band with all the looping and synthesizers.

But, as a fan, you should also come to the realization that they will evolve whether it's to your liking or not. I admit this last album sucked for the fans, but it seems like they are having the time of their lives playing these new songs. And, that seems to be the bottom line, they are enjoying playing this music. And, I neevr said you Hated Batson, but there are plenty who do & would like them to realize Mark Batson is not holding a gun to there heads while the recording process is taking place. They could have easily chose a new producer and appeased the fans, but obviously they are happy, and as a fan, you should be too.

I am happy for them that they are having a good time, and I really enjoyed SPAC and Darien this year because you could see how much fun they were having. I just do not like their half assed approach in the studio lately. All I am asking for is for them to bear down and work hard for 2-3 months every couple years. Because it seems for SU they brought that road like atmosphere into the studio and while they had a killer of a time recording it clearly did not bring out the best music in them.

[jellyfish]

SU is not maturing, it is a step back musically. Pressing the record button while Boyd is warming up and then basing a whole song around one line that you loop the hell out of is no way for this band to make music. They are too talented for that. They had good ideas before they went into the studio and instead they tried something new and it didn't really work out. So of course we can respect them for trying something different, but I'm not going to sit back and accept this band half assing it in the studio which is exactly what they did with SU. Bottom line is they are not trying their hardest and quite frankly I'm getting sick of Dave talking about how easy the past couple albums have been and how it is not like work at all. Hey Dave, would it kill you to bust your ass for a measly 3 months every two years and actually make complex music again.

Are you kidding me? Thats how 90% of songs originate.

Not for this band they don't. If you read any of the interviews about the sessions you would know they have never worked like that before, usually each member would have a more well thoughtout idea they had been working on at home and then bring it into the studio. SU was more improvisational.

I thought you meant all bands. I missed "this", but yeas it is a way to make music. I think AB is probably the best song on the album... & like some say, It's not the Nitro Matthews Band, It's not the DMBtabs Band, It's the Dave Matthews Band.

Perhaps you enjoy the way they worked earlier because better songs came from those sessions. But what you have to realize is that DMB might NOT enjoy playing & recording the way they played for 10 years. They obviously like the way Batson produces which leads into my next point.
The greatest IRONY of all amongst whoever says they HATE Batson. DMB hired him again, therefore you should hate DMB. Doesn't that make sense?

Yes Jason I know its not my band, but as a fan I have the right to criticize about the direction they are going in. And I never said I hate Batson, I just don't think he works with this band with all the looping and synthesizers.

But, as a fan, you should also come to the realization that they will evolve whether it's to your liking or not. I admit this last album sucked for the fans, but it seems like they are having the time of their lives playing these new songs. And, that seems to be the bottom line, they are enjoying playing this music. And, I neevr said you Hated Batson, but there are plenty who do & would like them to realize Mark Batson is not holding a gun to there heads while the recording process is taking place. They could have easily chose a new producer and appeased the fans, but obviously they are happy, and as a fan, you should be too.

I am happy for them that they are having a good time, and I really enjoyed SPAC and Darien this year because you could see how much fun they were having. I just do not like their half assed approach in the studio lately. All I am asking for is for them to bear down and work hard for 2-3 months every couple years. Because it seems for SU they brought that road like atmosphere into the studio and while they had a killer of a time recording it clearly did not bring out the best music in them.

I guess this new album that will be recorded in January will tell. They are gearing up for a D&T tour this spring, which probably wont give them but 3 months in the studio.... Can they pull it off?

[Appfro]

SU is not maturing, it is a step back musically. Pressing the record button while Boyd is warming up and then basing a whole song around one line that you loop the hell out of is no way for this band to make music. They are too talented for that. They had good ideas before they went into the studio and instead they tried something new and it didn't really work out. So of course we can respect them for trying something different, but I'm not going to sit back and accept this band half assing it in the studio which is exactly what they did with SU. Bottom line is they are not trying their hardest and quite frankly I'm getting sick of Dave talking about how easy the past couple albums have been and how it is not like work at all. Hey Dave, would it kill you to bust your ass for a measly 3 months every two years and actually make complex music again.

Are you kidding me? Thats how 90% of songs originate.

Not for this band they don't. If you read any of the interviews about the sessions you would know they have never worked like that before, usually each member would have a more well thoughtout idea they had been working on at home and then bring it into the studio. SU was more improvisational.

I thought you meant all bands. I missed "this", but yeas it is a way to make music. I think AB is probably the best song on the album... & like some say, It's not the Nitro Matthews Band, It's not the DMBtabs Band, It's the Dave Matthews Band.

Perhaps you enjoy the way they worked earlier because better songs came from those sessions. But what you have to realize is that DMB might NOT enjoy playing & recording the way they played for 10 years. They obviously like the way Batson produces which leads into my next point.
The greatest IRONY of all amongst whoever says they HATE Batson. DMB hired him again, therefore you should hate DMB. Doesn't that make sense?

Yes Jason I know its not my band, but as a fan I have the right to criticize about the direction they are going in. And I never said I hate Batson, I just don't think he works with this band with all the looping and synthesizers.

But, as a fan, you should also come to the realization that they will evolve whether it's to your liking or not. I admit this last album sucked for the fans, but it seems like they are having the time of their lives playing these new songs. And, that seems to be the bottom line, they are enjoying playing this music. And, I neevr said you Hated Batson, but there are plenty who do & would like them to realize Mark Batson is not holding a gun to there heads while the recording process is taking place. They could have easily chose a new producer and appeased the fans, but obviously they are happy, and as a fan, you should be too.

I am happy for them that they are having a good time, and I really enjoyed SPAC and Darien this year because you could see how much fun they were having. I just do not like their half assed approach in the studio lately. All I am asking for is for them to bear down and work hard for 2-3 months every couple years. Because it seems for SU they brought that road like atmosphere into the studio and while they had a killer of a time recording it clearly did not bring out the best music in them.

exactly. we want to hear that joy and excitement and that badass music that they are playing in their concerts in the album. and you can't hear it in the album. when i hear the lack of enthusiasm on this album i imagine them all standing around playing wishing they were somewhere else. then when i see it live they're jumping around like mad men. they didn't bring that joy into the studio and they didn't bring any prep either. they're better than this last album and we as fans have an obliagation to hold them to their potential. otherwise, we might as well just go listen to simple plan and not care what comes out of their mouths.

[Nitro1515]

SU is not maturing, it is a step back musically. Pressing the record button while Boyd is warming up and then basing a whole song around one line that you loop the hell out of is no way for this band to make music. They are too talented for that. They had good ideas before they went into the studio and instead they tried something new and it didn't really work out. So of course we can respect them for trying something different, but I'm not going to sit back and accept this band half assing it in the studio which is exactly what they did with SU. Bottom line is they are not trying their hardest and quite frankly I'm getting sick of Dave talking about how easy the past couple albums have been and how it is not like work at all. Hey Dave, would it kill you to bust your ass for a measly 3 months every two years and actually make complex music again.

Are you kidding me? Thats how 90% of songs originate.

Not for this band they don't. If you read any of the interviews about the sessions you would know they have never worked like that before, usually each member would have a more well thoughtout idea they had been working on at home and then bring it into the studio. SU was more improvisational.

I thought you meant all bands. I missed "this", but yeas it is a way to make music. I think AB is probably the best song on the album... & like some say, It's not the Nitro Matthews Band, It's not the DMBtabs Band, It's the Dave Matthews Band.

Perhaps you enjoy the way they worked earlier because better songs came from those sessions. But what you have to realize is that DMB might NOT enjoy playing & recording the way they played for 10 years. They obviously like the way Batson produces which leads into my next point.
The greatest IRONY of all amongst whoever says they HATE Batson. DMB hired him again, therefore you should hate DMB. Doesn't that make sense?

Yes Jason I know its not my band, but as a fan I have the right to criticize about the direction they are going in. And I never said I hate Batson, I just don't think he works with this band with all the looping and synthesizers.

But, as a fan, you should also come to the realization that they will evolve whether it's to your liking or not. I admit this last album sucked for the fans, but it seems like they are having the time of their lives playing these new songs. And, that seems to be the bottom line, they are enjoying playing this music. And, I neevr said you Hated Batson, but there are plenty who do & would like them to realize Mark Batson is not holding a gun to there heads while the recording process is taking place. They could have easily chose a new producer and appeased the fans, but obviously they are happy, and as a fan, you should be too.

I am happy for them that they are having a good time, and I really enjoyed SPAC and Darien this year because you could see how much fun they were having. I just do not like their half assed approach in the studio lately. All I am asking for is for them to bear down and work hard for 2-3 months every couple years. Because it seems for SU they brought that road like atmosphere into the studio and while they had a killer of a time recording it clearly did not bring out the best music in them.

I guess this new album that will be recorded in January will tell. They are gearing up for a D&T tour this spring, which probably wont give them but 3 months in the studio.... Can they pull it off?

I hope so, D&T has not been confirmed yet but even if it does happen they should still have plently of time to record.

[jellyfish]

exactly. we want to hear that joy and excitement and that badass music that they are playing in their concerts in the album. and you can't hear it in the album. when i hear the lack of enthusiasm on this album i imagine them all standing around playing wishing they were somewhere else. then when i see it live they're jumping around like mad men. they didn't bring that joy into the studio and they didn't bring any prep either. they're better than this last album and we as fans have an obliagation to hold them to their potential. otherwise, we might as well just go listen to simple plan and not care what comes out of their mouths.

SU is not maturing, it is a step back musically. Pressing the record button while Boyd is warming up and then basing a whole song around one line that you loop the hell out of is no way for this band to make music. They are too talented for that. They had good ideas before they went into the studio and instead they tried something new and it didn't really work out. So of course we can respect them for trying something different, but I'm not going to sit back and accept this band half assing it in the studio which is exactly what they did with SU. Bottom line is they are not trying their hardest and quite frankly I'm getting sick of Dave talking about how easy the past couple albums have been and how it is not like work at all. Hey Dave, would it kill you to bust your ass for a measly 3 months every two years and actually make complex music again.

Are you kidding me? Thats how 90% of songs originate.

Not for this band they don't. If you read any of the interviews about the sessions you would know they have never worked like that before, usually each member would have a more well thoughtout idea they had been working on at home and then bring it into the studio. SU was more improvisational.

I thought you meant all bands. I missed "this", but yeas it is a way to make music. I think AB is probably the best song on the album... & like some say, It's not the Nitro Matthews Band, It's not the DMBtabs Band, It's the Dave Matthews Band.

Perhaps you enjoy the way they worked earlier because better songs came from those sessions. But what you have to realize is that DMB might NOT enjoy playing & recording the way they played for 10 years. They obviously like the way Batson produces which leads into my next point.
The greatest IRONY of all amongst whoever says they HATE Batson. DMB hired him again, therefore you should hate DMB. Doesn't that make sense?

Yes Jason I know its not my band, but as a fan I have the right to criticize about the direction they are going in. And I never said I hate Batson, I just don't think he works with this band with all the looping and synthesizers.

But, as a fan, you should also come to the realization that they will evolve whether it's to your liking or not. I admit this last album sucked for the fans, but it seems like they are having the time of their lives playing these new songs. And, that seems to be the bottom line, they are enjoying playing this music. And, I neevr said you Hated Batson, but there are plenty who do & would like them to realize Mark Batson is not holding a gun to there heads while the recording process is taking place. They could have easily chose a new producer and appeased the fans, but obviously they are happy, and as a fan, you should be too.

I am happy for them that they are having a good time, and I really enjoyed SPAC and Darien this year because you could see how much fun they were having. I just do not like their half assed approach in the studio lately. All I am asking for is for them to bear down and work hard for 2-3 months every couple years. Because it seems for SU they brought that road like atmosphere into the studio and while they had a killer of a time recording it clearly did not bring out the best music in them.

That's hialrious. Sorry man but it is. How is everyone bitching on message boards going to motivate DMB to strive for their potential. Im sorry but you guys need to listen to other music besides DMB. It's as if this past album has ruined your lives.

[Appfro]

oh come on don't get me wrong. i don't think by any means i'm going to rally dmb by posting it on a message board. all i'm saying is that as fans we can't just sit back and say everything they put out is gold and we HAVE to respect it like the first dude said. it's a rediculous concept. no, the last album didn't ruin my life, but it ruined my love for dmb until i saw them play the songs live i'll admit. now that i've heard them live i know they still have plenty of talent left. but as much of a dmb fan as i am, there's no way i'm going to be a fan till the death and listen to crap just because it came out of dave's mouth.

[jellyfish]

oh come on don't get me wrong. i don't think by any means i'm going to rally dmb by posting it on a message board. all i'm saying is that as fans we can't just sit back and say everything they put out is gold and we HAVE to respect it like the first dude said. it's a rediculous concept. no, the last album didn't ruin my life, but it ruined my love for dmb until i saw them play the songs live i'll admit. now that i've heard them live i know they still have plenty of talent left. but as much of a dmb fan as i am, there's no way i'm going to be a fan till the death and listen to crap just because it came out of dave's mouth.

I hear ya. This album & possibly my age has left a bad taste in my mouth. I loved DMB for their Carpe Diem, Hedonistic approach in the early days which has since subsided. My goal was 50 shows, I gave away my second Randall's Island Tickets for free. (All 4 of them) The first night was terrible, actually the venue was terrible, but also I wasn't into them as I normally am.

However, I am flying to San Fran tommorow & may catch the Saturday night show out there.

All I know is the band seems happy.... Why should they compromise their happiness?

[Appfro]

yea you got a point. cause if they aren't happy then we have no chance of being happy for them. i understand that. i'm sorry your shows sucked. mine was amazing. i hope you get the same experience i did at your next one cause some of those songs from stand up man, they really are kick ass stand on your seat songs live.

[i like tictacs]

That's hialrious. Sorry man but it is. How is everyone bitching on message boards going to motivate DMB to strive for their potential. Im sorry but you guys need to listen to other music besides DMB. It's as if this past album has ruined your lives.

[i like tictacs]

and the best show i ever SEEN WIF MY OWN TWO EYEZ was this summer, with the stand up songs in the set.

since when is the studio stuff as good as live? sans four songs on one album, DMB is a touring band, NOT a studio band. does anyone honestly leave a studio album in their car for lengthy periods of time? i doubt it.

[jellyfish]

yea you got a point. cause if they aren't happy then we have no chance of being happy for them. i understand that. i'm sorry your shows sucked. mine was amazing. i hope you get the same experience i did at your next one cause some of those songs from stand up man, they really are kick ass stand on your seat songs live.

I did however have a great time at Va Beach. They played about 6 SU songs and really enjoyed them. So at least I saw one good show this year.

[Appfro]

and the best show i ever SEEN WIF MY OWN TWO EYEZ was this summer, with the stand up songs in the set.

since when is the studio stuff as good as live? sans four songs on one album, DMB is a touring band, NOT a studio band. does anyone honestly leave a studio album in their car for lengthy periods of time? i doubt it.

i listen to before these crowded streets more than any other album or concert i have. that's the only one though. then it probably goes live in boone 3-29-03, live in central park, live in chicago, live in charlotte 6-28-05. (boone and charlotte are copies i got from shows i went to)