I am pissed that I won't hear another Dreaming Tree...

i like tictacs · Unread post by **i like tictacs** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:31 pm

i am sam2 wrote:
i like tictacs wrote:I love the DDTW however, I LOVE LOVE LOVE stefan's tone on that. perfect
stefan could shit in a well and youd jump down after it

no, but i know that if he shit in a well he would be close by and i could go track him down

but honestly, that is his best tone ever

Beauford33 · Unread post by **Beauford33** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:40 pm

Nitro1515 wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Nitro1515 wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Nitro1515 wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Nitro1515 wrote:
gcom007 wrote:I was the same way about UTTAD as it always took me back to '94, but BTCS is just unreal...it was the pinnacle and the guests made it absolutely perfect...a near flawless album...
No doubt. They need to get back to having guests on the album all the songs sound so empty, especially since they have turned Carter into a drum machine in the studio.
All the greats have been "drum machines" in the studio at one time or another. Its just Carter doing some "Pocket Playing" and grooving. Dennis Chambers, sickist chops out there, played with P-Funk and did nothing more then what Carter is doing on Smooth Rider. Dennis is by far better then Carter, and here he is playing even less then what Carter is playing. Oh well.
I understand that. I guess I just don't see the point of it. Carter is the most gifted musician in the band and they completely forgot about him on this past record. I guess we will have to wait until the next one to see if this becomes a permanent thing in the studio.
You dont think Carter had any say in what would be done with the grooves?
I know that's what he wanted. I just don't see the point of it, he's too talented to be scaled back like that. And that is why you need a real producer in there who won't let them make stupid decisions like that.
Pocket playing and simply grooving is not a stupid decision. Nowdays with music, everything is FAST FAST FAST...FAST FILL! And people like that kind of thing because it looks and sounds impressive. No one is grooving. No on is letting the music happen and just backing with a simple groove. I know I speak for many when I say Id rather have a grooving drumming who will play what is needed, and not someone who will just good balls out all the time. Now I understand where you are coming from when you say you want Carter to do more, but what I dont understand is how simple pocket playing can be a "stupid decision".
Yeah I understand. I guess it just came as a shock to me since on every other CD Carter does go nuts. I still think it was the wrong decision though because having him pocket play does not help this band or make them sound very good. I mean you would have to agree that the band does sound better when Carter plays more fills and what not.

Well I dont agree. I think one of the most badass DMB moments, imo, is in Jimi Thing on CP. Right when Leroi starts his solo and Carter just goes into that striaght foward funky backbeat. To me, that was one of DMB's finer moments, simply because how tight the playing was and the incredible groove that came out of it. Of course I like when Carter is doing his Dennis Chambers and Billy Cohbamn thing, that is fine, but I enjoy a fat backbeat groove just as much.

a1075dd63aa12 · Unread post by **a1075dd63aa12** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:40 pm

I listened to the Lillywhite sessions in their entirety the other day for the first time in a while and that album had so much fucking potential. BTCS is their best album for many of the same reasons that have been mentioned. Everything from the segues between songs, to the way it is mixed, its perfect.

i like tictacs · Unread post by **i like tictacs** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:48 pm

LWS>BTCS if dave put in some real lyrics for Raven instead of just moaning and pissing his way through

Kahn · Unread post by **Kahn** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:58 pm

i like tictacs wrote:LWS>BTCS if dave put in some real lyrics for Raven instead of just moaning and pissing his way through

If LWS were produced all the way, I would agree with you, but they are all just rough drafts.

And good point grvn, I forgot about the segues, they are great!

GSR · Unread post by **GSR** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:20 pm

KahnTheRevelator wrote:
i like tictacs wrote:LWS>BTCS if dave put in some real lyrics for Raven instead of just moaning and pissing his way through
If LWS were produced all the way, I would agree with you, but they are all just rough drafts.

And good point grvn, I forgot about the segues, they are great!

Put your name in your sig. I'm tired of trying to remember "wpkgavlkays?" when i refer to you in a post.

dmfollower · Unread post by **dmfollower** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:44 pm

i am sam2 wrote:a rare elliot sighting in non-nDMB

i am sam2 · Unread post by **i am sam2** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:02 pm

Beauford33 wrote: Well I dont agree. I think one of the most badass DMB moments, imo, is in Jimi Thing on CP. Right when Leroi starts his solo and Carter just goes into that striaght foward funky backbeat. To me, that was one of DMB's finer moments, simply because how tight the playing was and the incredible groove that came out of it. Of course I like when Carter is doing his Dennis Chambers and Billy Cohbamn thing, that is fine, but I enjoy a fat backbeat groove just as much.

totally agree
i absolutely love that part. probably my favorite 5 seconds of DMB

NJPearce22 · Unread post by **NJPearce22** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:56 pm

Carter on Sugar Will is the perfect medium of his playing. Nice straightforward groove w/ some nice fills. Nothing too drastic and overwhelming. Listen to the GGP version.

i like tictacs · Unread post by **i like tictacs** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:34 am

i can't, i hate electric on that song

gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:54 am

yeah, and Santana sucks colossally...well, colossally compared to his reputation as being a great guitarist...

a1075dd63aa12 · Unread post by **a1075dd63aa12** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:11 am

gcom007 wrote:yeah, and Santana sucks colossally...well, colossally compared to his reputation as being a great guitarist...

i agree, he is completely overrated. not a shitty guitarist but not a god like people make him out to be

c_tietze · Unread post by **c_tietze** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:59 am

Nitro1515 wrote:BTCS really is an amazing work. Everytime I listen to it I hear something new. And the odds are that they will never make anything like it again. They were on to something great with the LWS, but of course they didn't follow through with it just like with the summer '04 songs and the utter disappointment that SU is.

Don't give up! I'm telling you, the right producer, the right time - possibly when their contract is over, the best it yet to come.

We've said it dozens of times, right?

LANOIS

i like tictacs · Unread post by **i like tictacs** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:30 am

wtf is lanois gonna do? mgically make it good? he's never produced a dmb album, it's a shot in the dark.

Nitro1515 · Unread post by **Nitro1515** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:35 am

i like tictacs wrote:wtf is lanois gonna do? mgically make it good? he's never produced a dmb album, it's a shot in the dark.

Of course we would never know until we heard it, but I would bet you that he would make a much better DMB album than Batson. I don't think he would loop the hell out of the album, and I think he would have the album more thought out then just pressing record and having them play whatever comes to mind.

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