DAVE MATTHEWS OR JOHN MAYER

[waffle_house_jam]

i know im gonna catch a lot of crap for this one, but Dave completely destroys John Mayer in every aspect of talent. Look at Dave's songwriting talent-not only in arrangement but in lyrics. Mayer writes lyrics terribly, especially when we compare him to Matthews-Dave's lyrics aren't confined to any specific thing, where Mayer just seems to knock around pop-style generic rhymes. As for song arrangement, I think the extent of Dave's genius can be shown in Lie in Our Graves-the huge bridge that slowly mellows out, then the break back into the beginning riff ("...and I can't believe that we would lie in our graves, wondering...") John Mayer shows nothing of the sort. As for acoustic guitar playing talent, I seriously doubt anyone can convince themselves that John has ANYTHING on Dave. Dave's acoustic arrangements are sometimes simple, but time and again he shows just how talented he is with songs like The Stone, Warehouse, etc, etc. Not only his riffs but his muting techniques and improv styles are incredible. Listen to old covers of Watchtower, for example.
A lot of people say that Mayer is a lot better on the electric, but I tend to lean more toward Dave in that area too. Even though he doesnt use one much, when he does you can tell how he's mastered it...if you listen closely in songs like Dont Drink the Water or Rapunzel the electric effects Dave uses are calculated perfectly-each mute complements the song...
As for lead, Mayer can certainly bust out some SRV-inspired solos, I've seen him do it in concert, but melodically, Dave's lead work is much more impressive. Listen to Proudest Monkey, or that huge jam on Jimi Thing in Listener Supported.

That's my case for Dave, and if anybody wants to challenge it I'll be happy to argue.
As to those who would wanna say I don't know what I'm talking about, I've seen both Dave and John in concert, and own their albums.
Hope I didn't offend anybody...I get a bit worked up on this one.

[gcom007]

i know im gonna catch a lot of crap for this one, but Dave completely destroys John Mayer in every aspect of talent. Look at Dave's songwriting talent-not only in arrangement but in lyrics. Mayer writes lyrics terribly, especially when we compare him to Matthews-Dave's lyrics aren't confined to any specific thing, where Mayer just seems to knock around pop-style generic rhymes. As for song arrangement, I think the extent of Dave's genius can be shown in Lie in Our Graves-the huge bridge that slowly mellows out, then the break back into the beginning riff ("...and I can't believe that we would lie in our graves, wondering...") John Mayer shows nothing of the sort. As for acoustic guitar playing talent, I seriously doubt anyone can convince themselves that John has ANYTHING on Dave. Dave's acoustic arrangements are sometimes simple, but time and again he shows just how talented he is with songs like The Stone, Warehouse, etc, etc. Not only his riffs but his muting techniques and improv styles are incredible. Listen to old covers of Watchtower, for example.
A lot of people say that Mayer is a lot better on the electric, but I tend to lean more toward Dave in that area too. Even though he doesnt use one much, when he does you can tell how he's mastered it...if you listen closely in songs like Dont Drink the Water or Rapunzel the electric effects Dave uses are calculated perfectly-each mute complements the song...
As for lead, Mayer can certainly bust out some SRV-inspired solos, I've seen him do it in concert, but melodically, Dave's lead work is much more impressive. Listen to Proudest Monkey, or that huge jam on Jimi Thing in Listener Supported.

That's my case for Dave, and if anybody wants to challenge it I'll be happy to argue.
As to those who would wanna say I don't know what I'm talking about, I've seen both Dave and John in concert, and own their albums.
Hope I didn't offend anybody...I get a bit worked up on this one.

is this post a joke?

[gravedigger]

is that sarcasm?

[gcom007]

is that sarcasm?

if I'm not mistaken, I think he may be mistaking what tim reynolds does for dave matthews, and just so waffle knows, almost everything you hear from the dmb studio albums is tim reynolds and NOT dave matthews

[DmbFanJason]

I totally totally totally totally totally agree with waffle house jam....i'm thinking to myself...are there any people on this board that play a guitar that dont suck ass? or know dick about rythm and complexity, and how songs(esp. dave's) are put together? this is friggin amazing to me that someone would actually think that john even compares to dave. it sounds like john was just fooling around with his guitar one night and said...hmm that sounds good, i think i'll make that into a song...As for dave, dont even get me started, the guy is from another planet. who comes up with shit like stone, satellite, tripping billies, etc etc etc.? dave's music sounds like it should be here just like night or day or rain etc. i.e. Its just here because thats the way it is...no human could make that shit up...there is only one thing i can think of that people might think john has an edge on which is lead; but i have never even heard dave try to play a lead. how could you even compare it then? he has never had to worry about it because of tim...i'm pretty sure that dave can blow him away in that area after about ten minutes of practicing anyway. peace!

[gcom007]

I totally totally totally totally totally agree with waffle house jam....i'm thinking to myself...are there any people on this board that play a guitar that dont suck ass? or know dick about rythm and complexity, and how songs(esp. dave's) are put together? this is friggin amazing to me that someone would actually think that john even compares to dave. it sounds like john was just fooling around with his guitar one night and said...hmm that sounds good, i think i'll make that into a song...As for dave, dont even get me started, the guy is from another planet. who comes up with shit like stone, satellite, tripping billies, etc etc etc.? dave's music sounds like it should be here just like night or day or rain etc. i.e. Its just here because thats the way it is...no human could make that shit up...there is only one thing i can think of that people might think john has an edge on which is lead; but i have never even heard dave try to play a lead. how could you even compare it then? he has never had to worry about it because of tim...i'm pretty sure that dave can blow him away in that area after about ten minutes of practicing anyway. peace!

there are obviously many on this board who really don't understand at all how music works, based on your post, I know of atleast one

[DmbFanJason]

Man you really backed your post up well guy, i am totally convinced...if you think john better then go to the "I like suckin John Mayer dick" website, dont come to the " I suck dave's cock" website(jk). peace, do you play a guitar gcom?

[gcom007]

Man you really backed your post up well guy, i am totally convinced...if you think john better then go to the "I like suckin John Mayer dick" website, dont come to the " I suck dave's cock" website(jk). peace, do you play a guitar gcom?

umm, yes, and I happen to be a music major studying with two of the best guitarists in michigan

[DmbFanJason]

your funny guy..oooooooo the best musicians in michigan,wow! are there names john doe and bob smith?....oh and by the way dave matthews is sitting right next to me too.

[DmbFanJason]

also...i sometimes jam with eric clapton and bb king on the weekends, if i have time.

[gcom007]

first of all, your post is just laughable based on many thoughts, here's the most painfully obvious...

the stuff the dave puts together...he doesn't know what the heck he's doing! he doesn't know theory or whatnot. he's the one who sits there at night playing and goes, hmm, let's make this into a song. John on the other hand studied music at Berklee School of Music in Boston and he actually knows what he's doing, when he sets out to write a song, he knows what to do to make it sound good. That's not to say that there's no feel involved, but once he gets something, he has the background to understand what will work best in a given situation as far as chord progressions and lead patterns. and if you look at the structure of what dave's really doing from a theory standpoint, it really isn't all that complex. look at the stone on a piano, or satellite...stone is just a d-minor triad with a Bb5 and top of a C-major triad...satellite is all just fifths walking down, tripping billies...try playing A-->D-->C-->Bm-->A-->D-->D/F#-->G and tell me what that sounds like...and tell me that's not an often used progression, the only thing that makes dave's version hard is the ludicrous way he plays it that is hardly the so-called right way of doing it.

Now I'm a fan of dave, a huge fan for that matter, and I like DMB better than John Mayer, but John absolutely destroys Dave on guitar, there's just no contest in rythm, lead, and both combined at the same stinking time.

[gcom007]

your funny guy..oooooooo the best musicians in michigan,wow! are there names john doe and bob smith?....oh and by the way dave matthews is sitting right next to me too.

wow, how old are you, really? and yes, my one instructor, john hall is considered one of the best classical and jazz players and the best instructor in michigan while the jazz circuit considers my other instructor, dan mayer (no pun intended although I'm sure you'd comment on it) is considered one of the 3 or 4 best guitarists in the state or anywhere in this region likewise

[DmbFanJason]

what i meant is dave had a sound that he wanted to make, in his head before he played it on the guitar, he knew what he was looking for(arbitrary, just like everything else)...what do you mean by better anyway jackass? oh, maybe he has a faster picking ability or whatever the hell, but can you honestly say that john has as good as songs made up as dave? give me a break guy? maybe dave didnt go to a magnificent guitar school like john, and how you aspire to(dork)...but he sure as hell didnt need to...is john standing right next to you or something? queer.

[DmbFanJason]

how old are you? how many years guitar experience? gcom?

[cquick]

Im just waiting on the ever loving, peace keeping kanter to lock this thread. You guys calm down and breathe!

Taste Something With Alcohol
cquick