"Before the Music Dies" featuring Dave Matthews (B

[Nitro1515]

Sounds cool. A pre Everyday DMB would be perfect for this, however its almost laughable to have Dave talking about homogenization and superficiality when he has created two albums like ED and SU.

I guess it makes sense to judge a band entirely by one or two albums instead of their overall body of work and their outstanding live performances...

but its still the current dave talking. if we had a time machine we could go back and get pre-everyday dave. in case you missed it the point of nitro's post was that he is hardly credible at this point when it comes to this topic.

oh and...

Exactly. Raif...Yes it actually does make sense because once you sell out there is no going back no matter what you do from then on. Once ED hit stores Dave lost the respect he had gained in all those 11 years leading up to that point. Now to have him talk about superficiality and homogenization in music and how it is ruining the art when you have two albums like ED and SU on the shelves then you cannot be taken seriously and quite frankly he sounds like a hypocrit.

[littlefriend]

Well in their defense those two albums may be superficial, I don't feel that they are homogenous. DMB still has a pretty unique flavor.

[i like tictacs]

Sounds cool. A pre Everyday DMB would be perfect for this, however its almost laughable to have Dave talking about homogenization and superficiality when he has created two albums like ED and SU.

this schtick is so old.

remember guys, it's cool to hate dmb now.

they still possess the same talent that they did years ago. they still perform the same songs that they did pre-ED. the band is hardly homogeneous.

and how are ED and stand up superficial? ED, to an extent, i could agree with, but that was to get them out of the so-called LWS slump. then they released busted stuff, which i think is underrated only because of the LWS. Stand up isn't superficial, it's quite original, there are just a few fluff songs on it. what about some devil? that came after everyday, and is hardly superficial.

they still tour day in and day out, don't lipsynch, still write their own music, and so on and so forth.

[i like tictacs]

Sounds cool. A pre Everyday DMB would be perfect for this, however its almost laughable to have Dave talking about homogenization and superficiality when he has created two albums like ED and SU.

I guess it makes sense to judge a band entirely by one or two albums instead of their overall body of work and their outstanding live performances...

but its still the current dave talking. if we had a time machine we could go back and get pre-everyday dave. in case you missed it the point of nitro's post was that he is hardly credible at this point when it comes to this topic.

oh and...

Exactly. Raif...Yes it actually does make sense because once you sell out there is no going back no matter what you do from then on. Once ED hit stores Dave lost the respect he had gained in all those 11 years leading up to that point. Now to have him talk about superficiality and homogenization in music and how it is ruining the art when you have two albums like ED and SU on the shelves then you cannot be taken seriously and quite frankly he sounds like a hypocrit.

so the band sells out as soon as it makes money?

then the band sold out when UTTAD was released. if you think it sold out when it started making songs for john q public and not themselves, wrong again. ED was a falter, no question, but then by releasing BS, SD(dave) and then stand up, hardly. they didn't make stand up solely to make money, they made it to vary their catalog, and as much as you hate it, critics love it. alot of it still possess the dmb sound that i (we) love, plus some sampled beats.


oooooh.

[Nitro1515]

Sounds cool. A pre Everyday DMB would be perfect for this, however its almost laughable to have Dave talking about homogenization and superficiality when he has created two albums like ED and SU.

this schtick is so old.

remember guys, it's cool to hate dmb now.

they still possess the same talent that they did years ago. they still perform the same songs that they did pre-ED. the band is hardly homogeneous.

and how are ED and stand up superficial? ED, to an extent, i could agree with, but that was to get them out of the so-called LWS slump. then they released busted stuff, which i think is underrated only because of the LWS. Stand up isn't superficial, it's quite original, there are just a few fluff songs on it. what about some devil? that came after everyday, and is hardly superficial.

they still tour day in and day out, don't lipsynch, still write their own music, and so on and so forth.

Oh yeah thats right tictacs I hate DMB. They are still my favorite band so how is it that I hate them so much? I dislike both ED and SU, that doesn't mean I hate the band. As for their live show, yes Dave may not lipsynch, but he does however read from a teleprompter which to me is a little disingenuous. Now I believe ED is superficial because it was it was written in 12 days and the band had no input into any of the material. As for SU I guess you can argue that it is not superficial, but it is a rushed, jumbled mess of bad lyrics, terrible loops and unfinished songs. And who are these critics that love it? Rolling Stone? Yeah they are real credible. They gave SU (3 1/2 stars) a higher rating than BTCS (3 stars). I believe the DMB community on the whole detests SU and while they respect them trying something different it didn't work out.

[Nitro1515]

Sounds cool. A pre Everyday DMB would be perfect for this, however its almost laughable to have Dave talking about homogenization and superficiality when he has created two albums like ED and SU.

I guess it makes sense to judge a band entirely by one or two albums instead of their overall body of work and their outstanding live performances...

but its still the current dave talking. if we had a time machine we could go back and get pre-everyday dave. in case you missed it the point of nitro's post was that he is hardly credible at this point when it comes to this topic.

oh and...

Exactly. Raif...Yes it actually does make sense because once you sell out there is no going back no matter what you do from then on. Once ED hit stores Dave lost the respect he had gained in all those 11 years leading up to that point. Now to have him talk about superficiality and homogenization in music and how it is ruining the art when you have two albums like ED and SU on the shelves then you cannot be taken seriously and quite frankly he sounds like a hypocrit.

so the band sells out as soon as it makes money?

then the band sold out when UTTAD was released. if you think it sold out when it started making songs for john q public and not themselves, wrong again. ED was a falter, no question, but then by releasing BS, SD(dave) and then stand up, hardly. they didn't make stand up solely to make money, they made it to vary their catalog, and as much as you hate it, critics love it. alot of it still possess the dmb sound that i (we) love, plus some sampled beats.


oooooh.

No, a band sells out when they change their sound on purpose to cash in on what is selling at the time. Lets see, what was selling during 2001? Boy bands and straight up pop music. So what does the band do? For the first time they put themselves on the cover of an album, perform at TRL and create mundane pop songs which completely goes against anything they have ever done in the past. That to me is selling out. Now I agree with you on BS, that is an underrated album, and I love Some Devil, but it is hard to get passed what they did with Everyday.

[i like tictacs]

. As for their live show, yes Dave may not lipsynch, but he does however read from a teleprompter which to me is a little disingenuous.

Would you rather him fuck up lyrics all the time or read them off a teleprompter? you can't win them all.

[i like tictacs]

No, a band sells out when they change their sound on purpose to cash in on what is selling at the time. Lets see, what was selling during 2001? Boy bands and straight up pop music. So what does the band do? For the first time they put themselves on the cover of an album, perform at TRL and create mundane pop songs which completely goes against anything they have ever done in the past. That to me is selling out. Now I agree with you on BS, that is an underrated album, and I love Some Devil, but it is hard to get passed what they did with Everyday.

what is selling now? the same contrite pop. what was selling then? yep, same shit.

the times haven't changed, I think dave and the band know that ED was a misstep at this point.

And sans I Did It, I do'nt really have a big issue with the album everyday other than the fact that the band was more of a backing band than the DMB.

[Nitro1515]

. As for their live show, yes Dave may not lipsynch, but he does however read from a teleprompter which to me is a little disingenuous.

Would you rather him fuck up lyrics all the time or read them off a teleprompter? you can't win them all.

I would rather he remember the lyrics to his own songs so that he doesn't need a teleprompter.

[i like tictacs]

. As for their live show, yes Dave may not lipsynch, but he does however read from a teleprompter which to me is a little disingenuous.

Would you rather him fuck up lyrics all the time or read them off a teleprompter? you can't win them all.

I would rather he remember the lyrics to his own songs so that he doesn't need a teleprompter.

but it's okay for them to tape lyrics to the ground?

[Nitro1515]

. As for their live show, yes Dave may not lipsynch, but he does however read from a teleprompter which to me is a little disingenuous.

Would you rather him fuck up lyrics all the time or read them off a teleprompter? you can't win them all.

I would rather he remember the lyrics to his own songs so that he doesn't need a teleprompter.

but it's okay for them to tape lyrics to the ground?

yes when its a new song that he is trying to nail down, not when its a song hes been singing for years.

[carter29]

some people are going nuts with the hating dmb nowadays around here...how can you even compare dave to mainstream pop music its the Dave Matthews Band!

DMB would have to do alot to not be my favorite band anymore, like a few more SU or a greatest hits album

[i like tictacs]

i can't believe we're still clinging to the teleprompter argument


how does it effect you at all? if anything it makes the live performance better.

i don't understand the difference between a teleprompter and lyrics taped down, and i'd rather him not fuck up the first dreaming tree or stay that they play next year.

[aj1pso]

Am I the only one who likes I did it?


I dont think everyday was that bad at all and even stand up has its moments. The band has not sold out. What the fuck man? Are you serious? Does it really sound to you like they've sold out? Put on MTV and tell me they're doing it to bring in more cash.

The thing is, the band has had some bad times creatively speaking. The first albums were so great that the new ones just leave us wanting for more. They cant all be great. At first the band had years of experience and slow buildup to those songs. Now they've used the built up material and are forced to make new stuff without going underground for 5 years. Its not that easy.

Doesnt mean they've sold out, come on!

I still love DMB and it would take a whole lot of fuckups to change that.

[Kahn]

Nobody can argue that DMB is better now than they were a decade ago. I'm with Gianni.