I am pissed that I won't hear another Dreaming Tree...

GSR · Unread post by **GSR** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:24 am

<3 BTCS

gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:29 am

GSRLessard14 wrote:<3 BTCS

always and forever...I feel like Kip...

Nitro1515 · Unread post by **Nitro1515** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:30 am

gcom007 wrote:
GSRLessard14 wrote:<3 BTCS
always and forever...I feel like Kip...

Beauford33 · Unread post by **Beauford33** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:33 am

Nitro1515 wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Nitro1515 wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Nitro1515 wrote:
gcom007 wrote:I was the same way about UTTAD as it always took me back to '94, but BTCS is just unreal...it was the pinnacle and the guests made it absolutely perfect...a near flawless album...
No doubt. They need to get back to having guests on the album all the songs sound so empty, especially since they have turned Carter into a drum machine in the studio.
All the greats have been "drum machines" in the studio at one time or another. Its just Carter doing some "Pocket Playing" and grooving. Dennis Chambers, sickist chops out there, played with P-Funk and did nothing more then what Carter is doing on Smooth Rider. Dennis is by far better then Carter, and here he is playing even less then what Carter is playing. Oh well.
I understand that. I guess I just don't see the point of it. Carter is the most gifted musician in the band and they completely forgot about him on this past record. I guess we will have to wait until the next one to see if this becomes a permanent thing in the studio.
You dont think Carter had any say in what would be done with the grooves?
I know that's what he wanted. I just don't see the point of it, he's too talented to be scaled back like that. And that is why you need a real producer in there who won't let them make stupid decisions like that.

Pocket playing and simply grooving is not a stupid decision. Nowdays with music, everything is FAST FAST FAST...FAST FILL! And people like that kind of thing because it looks and sounds impressive. No one is grooving. No on is letting the music happen and just backing with a simple groove. I know I speak for many when I say Id rather have a grooving drumming who will play what is needed, and not someone who will just good balls out all the time. Now I understand where you are coming from when you say you want Carter to do more, but what I dont understand is how simple pocket playing can be a "stupid decision".

Trippin Hillbilly · Unread post by **Trippin Hillbilly** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:21 am

Beauford33 wrote:
Nitro1515 wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Nitro1515 wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Nitro1515 wrote:
gcom007 wrote:I was the same way about UTTAD as it always took me back to '94, but BTCS is just unreal...it was the pinnacle and the guests made it absolutely perfect...a near flawless album...
No doubt. They need to get back to having guests on the album all the songs sound so empty, especially since they have turned Carter into a drum machine in the studio.
All the greats have been "drum machines" in the studio at one time or another. Its just Carter doing some "Pocket Playing" and grooving. Dennis Chambers, sickist chops out there, played with P-Funk and did nothing more then what Carter is doing on Smooth Rider. Dennis is by far better then Carter, and here he is playing even less then what Carter is playing. Oh well.
I understand that. I guess I just don't see the point of it. Carter is the most gifted musician in the band and they completely forgot about him on this past record. I guess we will have to wait until the next one to see if this becomes a permanent thing in the studio.
You dont think Carter had any say in what would be done with the grooves?
I know that's what he wanted. I just don't see the point of it, he's too talented to be scaled back like that. And that is why you need a real producer in there who won't let them make stupid decisions like that.
Pocket playing and simply grooving is not a stupid decision. Nowdays with music, everything is FAST FAST FAST...FAST FILL! And people like that kind of thing because it looks and sounds impressive. No one is grooving. No on is letting the music happen and just backing with a simple groove. I know I speak for many when I say Id rather have a grooving drumming who will play what is needed, and not someone who will just good balls out all the time. Now I understand where you are coming from when you say you want Carter to do more, but what I dont understand is how simple pocket playing can be a "stupid decision".

Agreed, good post.

Nitro1515 · Unread post by **Nitro1515** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:46 am

Beauford33 wrote:
Nitro1515 wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Nitro1515 wrote:
Beauford33 wrote:
Nitro1515 wrote:
gcom007 wrote:I was the same way about UTTAD as it always took me back to '94, but BTCS is just unreal...it was the pinnacle and the guests made it absolutely perfect...a near flawless album...
No doubt. They need to get back to having guests on the album all the songs sound so empty, especially since they have turned Carter into a drum machine in the studio.
All the greats have been "drum machines" in the studio at one time or another. Its just Carter doing some "Pocket Playing" and grooving. Dennis Chambers, sickist chops out there, played with P-Funk and did nothing more then what Carter is doing on Smooth Rider. Dennis is by far better then Carter, and here he is playing even less then what Carter is playing. Oh well.
I understand that. I guess I just don't see the point of it. Carter is the most gifted musician in the band and they completely forgot about him on this past record. I guess we will have to wait until the next one to see if this becomes a permanent thing in the studio.
You dont think Carter had any say in what would be done with the grooves?
I know that's what he wanted. I just don't see the point of it, he's too talented to be scaled back like that. And that is why you need a real producer in there who won't let them make stupid decisions like that.
Pocket playing and simply grooving is not a stupid decision. Nowdays with music, everything is FAST FAST FAST...FAST FILL! And people like that kind of thing because it looks and sounds impressive. No one is grooving. No on is letting the music happen and just backing with a simple groove. I know I speak for many when I say Id rather have a grooving drumming who will play what is needed, and not someone who will just good balls out all the time. Now I understand where you are coming from when you say you want Carter to do more, but what I dont understand is how simple pocket playing can be a "stupid decision".

Yeah I understand. I guess it just came as a shock to me since on every other CD Carter does go nuts. I still think it was the wrong decision though because having him pocket play does not help this band or make them sound very good. I mean you would have to agree that the band does sound better when Carter plays more fills and what not.

Unread post by **jkanter** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:47 am

Pig is, in my mind, the greatest song they've ever put on an album. I'm not saying it's their best song...but if you listen to the intricacies of that song on the album version and the way Dave's voice just flows with the perfectly sounding violin(which Boyd can only do in studio because of how bad it his violin can sound live)....it's incredible.

Put that song on REALLY LOUD on a sweet stereo system, spark up a doobie and you'll be swimming in a pool of musical and lyrical bliss

gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:48 am

jkanter wrote:Pig is, in my mind, the greatest song they've ever put on an album. I'm not saying it's their best song...but if you listen to the intricacies of that song on the album version and the way Dave's voice just flows with the perfectly sounding violin(which Boyd can only do in studio because of how bad it his violin can sound live)....it's incredible.

Put that song on REALLY LOUD on a sweet stereo system, spark up a doobie and you'll be swimming in a pool of musical and lyrical bliss

tis my favorite DMB song...Say Goodbye is 1.5 though...

Unread post by **jkanter** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:49 am

gcom007 wrote:
jkanter wrote:Pig is, in my mind, the greatest song they've ever put on an album. I'm not saying it's their best song...but if you listen to the intricacies of that song on the album version and the way Dave's voice just flows with the perfectly sounding violin(which Boyd can only do in studio because of how bad it his violin can sound live)....it's incredible.

Put that song on REALLY LOUD on a sweet stereo system, spark up a doobie and you'll be swimming in a pool of musical and lyrical bliss
tis my favorite DMB song...Say Goodbye is 1.5 though...

You and I my friend are very much on the same page

i like tictacs · Unread post by **i like tictacs** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:44 am

pig, crush, dreaming tree and spoon are 4 songs that are actually better studio than live, IMO.

gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:59 am

halloween-spoon is the strongest lineup of consecutive songs that I've heard on any album...

i like tictacs · Unread post by **i like tictacs** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:25 am

gcom007 wrote:halloween-spoon is the strongest lineup of consecutive songs that I've heard on any album...

the whole fucking album is amazing. even if you dont like the DDTW and Last Stop, they are perfect. Rapunzel is perfect. I love the DDTW however, I LOVE LOVE LOVE stefan's tone on that. perfect

i am sam2 · Unread post by **i am sam2** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:31 pm

i like tictacs wrote:I love the DDTW however, I LOVE LOVE LOVE stefan's tone on that. perfect

stefan could shit in a well and youd jump down after it

GSR · Unread post by **GSR** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:34 pm

i am sam2 wrote:
i like tictacs wrote:I love the DDTW however, I LOVE LOVE LOVE stefan's tone on that. perfect
stefan could shit in a well and youd jump down after it

HAHA.

Kahn · Unread post by **Kahn** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:36 pm

gcom007 wrote:halloween-spoon is the strongest lineup of consecutive songs that I've heard on any album...

That first note of PNP gives me chills everytime for some reason. Only on the studio version though.......

Just something about the album, the order of songs, the mixing, everything is perfect.

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