Dave and the dreaded RELIGION question

[Brock]

You do realize that's what Bush has been trying to do for the past 6 years... right? He IS an extreme right conservative.

[Beauford33]

You do realize that's what Bush has been trying to do for the past 6 years... right? He IS an extreme right conservative.

Yea, I realize that. I haven't expressed my political opinions in some time. Some have changed, some haven't.

[littlefriend]

the was his songs are written i can understand the christianity guess, by like christmas song, bartender, and such. but theres no way. hes not religious but i think he's fascinated with the Bible as in the text and stories and such. not as much as it being a way to live.

I'd be willing to bet that Dave is cool with living in Christ's example. It's an excellent way to live one's life, regardless of whether or not you believe in a god, or if you even give a damn one way or another if there is a god. I know as an agnostic myself, I appreciate Christianity's examples for leading one's life.

[Brock]

You do realize that's what Bush has been trying to do for the past 6 years... right? He IS an extreme right conservative.

Yea, I realize that. I haven't expressed my political opinions in some time. Some have changed, some haven't.

Okay good. You're right, you haven't said anything in a long time, but the last I'd ever seen you were still sucking bush off like there was no tomorrow. I consider myself a Republican... but the current administration (and as a result, the Republicans in Congress) is in no shape or form a true Republican administration.

[Beauford33]

You do realize that's what Bush has been trying to do for the past 6 years... right? He IS an extreme right conservative.

Yea, I realize that. I haven't expressed my political opinions in some time. Some have changed, some haven't.

Okay good. You're right, you haven't said anything in a long time, but the last I'd ever seen you were still sucking bush off like there was no tomorrow. I consider myself a Republican... but the current administration (and as a result, the Republicans in Congress) is in no shape or form a true Republican administration.

You just have to take any chance you can get to be a dick to me, huh?

[Brock]

You do realize that's what Bush has been trying to do for the past 6 years... right? He IS an extreme right conservative.

Yea, I realize that. I haven't expressed my political opinions in some time. Some have changed, some haven't.

Okay good. You're right, you haven't said anything in a long time, but the last I'd ever seen you were still sucking bush off like there was no tomorrow. I consider myself a Republican... but the current administration (and as a result, the Republicans in Congress) is in no shape or form a true Republican administration.

You just have to take any chance you can get to be a dick to me, huh?

Am I saying something that isn't true? You did... that was quite a while back though.

[Beauford33]

You do realize that's what Bush has been trying to do for the past 6 years... right? He IS an extreme right conservative.

Yea, I realize that. I haven't expressed my political opinions in some time. Some have changed, some haven't.

Okay good. You're right, you haven't said anything in a long time, but the last I'd ever seen you were still sucking bush off like there was no tomorrow. I consider myself a Republican... but the current administration (and as a result, the Republicans in Congress) is in no shape or form a true Republican administration.

You just have to take any chance you can get to be a dick to me, huh?

Am I saying something that isn't true? You did... that was quite a while back though.

I would say it is a bit exagerated(sp?). I defended him. I never really praised him in a "dick sucking" fashion. And at times I simply put "he is our best option".

[filmdude100cms]

the was his songs are written i can understand the christianity guess, by like christmas song, bartender, and such. but theres no way. hes not religious but i think he's fascinated with the Bible as in the text and stories and such. not as much as it being a way to live.

yeah, even the chorus for tripping billies is from a bible passage

[a1075dd63aa12]

the was his songs are written i can understand the christianity guess, by like christmas song, bartender, and such. but theres no way. hes not religious but i think he's fascinated with the Bible as in the text and stories and such. not as much as it being a way to live.

yeah, even the chorus for tripping billies is from a bible passage

if im not mistaken agnosticism believes in "a god" but that god holds no power other than being the creater, creator, etc. so it is possible to be agnostic and still recognize jesus christ existed, after all if you believe he did, he was a completely admirable human being who fought for many of the things many people hope could and might happen, and was unjustly persecuted due to several cultural issues that took place at that time.

[i drank the water]

if im not mistaken agnosticism believes in "a god"

Being Agnostic means there is a very likely possiblity of there being a god, but such knowledge seems very unlikely to know at our current mental capacity, just to clarify. Being Agnostic has many different secs just like being christian, thats just a general definition i have gone by.

[bassman462]

the was his songs are written i can understand the christianity guess, by like christmas song, bartender, and such. but theres no way. hes not religious but i think he's fascinated with the Bible as in the text and stories and such. not as much as it being a way to live.

yeah, even the chorus for tripping billies is from a bible passage

i knew there was more i just completely forgot.

[filmdude100cms]

the was his songs are written i can understand the christianity guess, by like christmas song, bartender, and such. but theres no way. hes not religious but i think he's fascinated with the Bible as in the text and stories and such. not as much as it being a way to live.

yeah, even the chorus for tripping billies is from a bible passage

i knew there was more i just completely forgot.

im sure more songs have subtle bible verses, but i just knew this one...

the was his songs are written i can understand the christianity guess, by like christmas song, bartender, and such. but theres no way. hes not religious but i think he's fascinated with the Bible as in the text and stories and such. not as much as it being a way to live.

yeah, even the chorus for tripping billies is from a bible passage

if im not mistaken agnosticism believes in "a god" but that god holds no power other than being the creater, creator, etc. so it is possible to be agnostic and still recognize jesus christ existed, after all if you believe he did, he was a completely admirable human being who fought for many of the things many people hope could and might happen, and was unjustly persecuted due to several cultural issues that took place at that time.

yeah im that way. im agnostic i guess because i dont think every word in the bible is true, and i dont think god nesesarily has a hand in our lives, maybe the devil does, but well see wont we? i do think there is some form of higher being, natural selection cant be given all the credit for where we are today. And i think jesus was a real person, iu try to live by his example, but not by the bibles teachings. mostly because i dont think it should be taken as likely as many take it, more of a book of guidlines.

[c_tietze]

Unless you ask him, how is anyone to know. Anything else is mere speculation.

[filmdude100cms]

Unless you ask him, how is anyone to know. Anything else is mere speculation.

well... theres that rolling stone interview, and then his commencement
speach for haverford...

Thank you. I will now begin the boring lull after Molly Ivins. I was trying to think of what stumbling, stuttering things I could say that might inspire you. That was sort of what we were told we had to do, to come up with something moderately inspirational. And then I will rise, hopefully, to the occasion. You be the judge. I come from a family of fairly well-educated people, and I’m proud to say that I barely squeezed out of high school. But, while I could have been in college, I spent the four years driving around in a van with ten other very smelly men, and drove around the country insisting on playing whatever gig we could get, and we got some good attitude from it, too, and maybe some tidbits of wisdom. And I was wondering what I could say today, and I hope that the question I ask doesn’t sound like too much, although it will sound like a hell of a mouthful, but then I’ll try and moderate it by explaining myself. I’ve thought quite often versions of this question, “What is our obligation to God?” Having said that, I sorda consider myself in a way a non-believer. Certainly I don’t believe that I’m quite convinced in the same God that “Shrub” does, up there in the White House. I can’t imagine a sort of Santa Claus kind of God in his long robe-y pajamas sitting there watching us, making sure everything is happy and hunky and occasionally choosing sides like he’s watching a football game, and scream “kickass.” But I do find myself praying a lot, and I don’t know what I pray to, but it seems like I pray to the undamaged things, to the natural things, to breasts before enhancement, to they way that a child runs across the lawn, to trees or to a forest. I pray to those things; to the mountain. That’s where I think God might be at least: the mountain next to Mt. Rushmore. Although Mt. Rushmore is impressive, it’s not as impressive as it was prior to the damage done to it. So, what is our obligation to this God I don’t really believe in? I was watching TV, this is where I get wisdom, sorry I’m stumbling, this always happens to me, I’m going to be quick, I’ll be fast and I’m going to start talking faster, I haven’t had enough coffee. I was watching TV, which is one of the places I get my wisdom, my vast and deep wisdom. I was watching and I was bouncing through the channels and then there was a show, I think it was on HBO or maybe Link TV or something like that, it was on some channel. It was a show about a religion, and they were interviewing different religious scholars. I think it was about Judaism. There was a guy describing what he thought God wanted from us. I think he was a rabbi, or maybe he wasn’t, but I think he had a beard. He said that God doesn’t want us to be something specific; he doesn’t want us to follow a rule book. He made us, or God made us—I’m saying he out of habit. I’m sure he doesn’t have the tackle to necessarily be a he. That would be sort of pointless. But he said that God made you what you are, so why would he want you to be something other than you are. Why would he want you to pretend you are something you are not, because your heart is what God made it. And so, our responsibility to God, however difficult it is, is to be what we are. To be present, not to put up a façade that makes us feel safer. It’s not always easy. I’m faking it a lot of times. I wish I could fake it a little better right now. Although in a way you are more vulnerable and vile things happen to you when you experience joy, you get a mouthful of it, you know when you experience goods things. Because it comes right to you, you’re right there, because you’re not busy trying to make sure no one notices that behind that perfect, or average, or fitting-in façade is really what God made you. So be yourselves I guess is what I wanted to say. Be present. I have a little poem that I was going to read because I think that this guy was much more able to say what I said in the last five minutes—or ten if it feels like that—in just a couple of lines. I went to Australia and I found this poet that I don’t think has landed on these shores, and I thought he was kind of magical. And it’s May, and this is called, “A Prayer in May.” And it says, it starts, “God relieve the dark unease. God of valves untie my throat, and God let sink the weight of mind to the belly of heart’s content.” Thank you very much to everybody for having me today. So save the world now by being yourself.

there ya go

[c_tietze]

Okay, so then by that logic that blurb you wrote is the definition of Dave's beliefs and the final say relative to all questions of what Dave's religious beliefs entail.

No need for speculation then, you've cleared things up quite nicely.