thoughts on new cd

[Kahn]

I love you. Thats exactly what I think. Everyone quit whining.

[Nitro1515]

As a side note, I was listening to Stand Up in my friends dorm room, and like 4 girls came in, and started dancing, they were like "who is that?" I told them and they were like, wow, good song to dance to. I know it makes it seem poppy and whatever, but if people like it and it makes them want to dance, like Batson said was the purpose for some of the songs, they accomplished what they wanted.

Thats not helping very much, it just feeds my argument more. Doesn't it bother you that non-DMB fans like it more than longtime fans?

I've been listening to Dave Matthews Band for nearly a decade. Most of my friends listen to DMB, they might not be as diehard a fan as I, but they still enjoy it. So you're telling me I should be upset that they (non dmb fans) will like it more than longtime fans?
If longtime fans cannot appreciate the fact that the band has moved from the frat-rock of UTTAD and the epic BFTCS and has evolved to the funk of Stand Up to broaden its fanbase, then why be a fan? I love each album for what it is. A change in the direction for the band. They made this album to enjoy playing.
So what if Dave didn't toil over the lyrics this time? It's better than having to analyze over and over what the song is 'really about'. We all know Carter is pretty much a god on the skins. Granted, his work on this album is a bit sparse, there is plenty of room for improvisation on the road. I love what Batson did with Stefan on this album. YOU CAN HEAR HIM. Roi And Boyd are great as usual. The layering of the instruments sounds great, it makes the song more than it is. Each song is a different sound, each with a different musical inspiration. Blues, funk, gospel, hard rock, hip-hop, folk, jazz, samba... you tell me another record on the shelf that has that many influences and I will bow down. But until then, I will continue to think that this is another great step for the Dave Matthews Band.

Peace.

And no, Nitro, it won't bother me that non-DMB fans will like this more than old dave heads. It'll bother me that old dave heads will shun this because it's not what they want to listen to. I mean no offense man, none at all, just try to see it from the bands pov.

Don't tell me whether I can be upset or not. I think I have a right to be upset, afterall it is partially because of us longtime fans who have spent tons of money on album sales, merchandise, tickets, and spreading their music through taping, that put them on the map. And now they are going away from the sound that made us fans in the first place so why wouldn't I be a little mad. Also I fail to see how adding more 14 year old girls to the fanbase is a good thing. And how many times do I have to say the album is alright, it is better than Everyday. Some songs are fantastic while others are just not very good at all, thus making it an average album...I don't want average from my favorite band.

[Nitro1515]

So what if Dave didn't toil over the lyrics this time? It's better than having to analyze over and over what the song is 'really about'.

And I wanted to quote this just because it is possibly the worst argument in the history of messageboards.

[subotai]

As a side note, I was listening to Stand Up in my friends dorm room, and like 4 girls came in, and started dancing, they were like "who is that?" I told them and they were like, wow, good song to dance to. I know it makes it seem poppy and whatever, but if people like it and it makes them want to dance, like Batson said was the purpose for some of the songs, they accomplished what they wanted.

Air headed 19 year old girls like to dance to it. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!

Dude.. if DMB can get 19 year old girls to dance in front of me.. i'm one step closer..wtf sub are you gay?

Why do you have to lash out at people and make them feel bad??

[Kukini]

As a side note, I was listening to Stand Up in my friends dorm room, and like 4 girls came in, and started dancing, they were like "who is that?" I told them and they were like, wow, good song to dance to. I know it makes it seem poppy and whatever, but if people like it and it makes them want to dance, like Batson said was the purpose for some of the songs, they accomplished what they wanted.

Thats not helping very much, it just feeds my argument more. Doesn't it bother you that non-DMB fans like it more than longtime fans?

I've been listening to Dave Matthews Band for nearly a decade. Most of my friends listen to DMB, they might not be as diehard a fan as I, but they still enjoy it. So you're telling me I should be upset that they (non dmb fans) will like it more than longtime fans?
If longtime fans cannot appreciate the fact that the band has moved from the frat-rock of UTTAD and the epic BFTCS and has evolved to the funk of Stand Up to broaden its fanbase, then why be a fan? I love each album for what it is. A change in the direction for the band. They made this album to enjoy playing.
So what if Dave didn't toil over the lyrics this time? It's better than having to analyze over and over what the song is 'really about'. We all know Carter is pretty much a god on the skins. Granted, his work on this album is a bit sparse, there is plenty of room for improvisation on the road. I love what Batson did with Stefan on this album. YOU CAN HEAR HIM. Roi And Boyd are great as usual. The layering of the instruments sounds great, it makes the song more than it is. Each song is a different sound, each with a different musical inspiration. Blues, funk, gospel, hard rock, hip-hop, folk, jazz, samba... you tell me another record on the shelf that has that many influences and I will bow down. But until then, I will continue to think that this is another great step for the Dave Matthews Band.

Peace.

And no, Nitro, it won't bother me that non-DMB fans will like this more than old dave heads. It'll bother me that old dave heads will shun this because it's not what they want to listen to. I mean no offense man, none at all, just try to see it from the bands pov.

Don't tell me whether I can be upset or not. I think I have a right to be upset, afterall it is partially because of us longtime fans who have spent tons of money on album sales, merchandise, tickets, and spreading their music through taping, that put them on the map. And now they are going away from the sound that made us fans in the first place so why wouldn't I be a little mad. Also I fail to see how adding more 14 year old girls to the fanbase is a good thing. And how many times do I have to say the album is alright, it is better than Everyday. Some songs are fantastic while others are just not very good at all, thus making it an average album...I don't want average from my favorite band.

Great post martinitime. But Nitro, if they were your favorite band, why are you a little upset that they don't make every album exactly like what YOU want it to be? It's their's, it's a good album and if you don't like it because it doesn't sound like past albums, no one is losing but you for not being more open to a "new" sound (although it's not incredibly different).

And no, like I said, it doesn't bother me that Daveheads might be bothered, they were all bothered by Everyday but still keep DMB at #1 for live acts... I've been a DMB fan for almost 10 years and I like it, so really I don't know, it's your opinion, I just don't see why you would want them to keep making uttad and btcs type cds when they want to be more dynamic, not to lose fans, but because they want to expand their musical field/influence. Meh, I'm high and tired, good night.

[Blake]

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[Nitro1515]

As a side note, I was listening to Stand Up in my friends dorm room, and like 4 girls came in, and started dancing, they were like "who is that?" I told them and they were like, wow, good song to dance to. I know it makes it seem poppy and whatever, but if people like it and it makes them want to dance, like Batson said was the purpose for some of the songs, they accomplished what they wanted.

Thats not helping very much, it just feeds my argument more. Doesn't it bother you that non-DMB fans like it more than longtime fans?

I've been listening to Dave Matthews Band for nearly a decade. Most of my friends listen to DMB, they might not be as diehard a fan as I, but they still enjoy it. So you're telling me I should be upset that they (non dmb fans) will like it more than longtime fans?
If longtime fans cannot appreciate the fact that the band has moved from the frat-rock of UTTAD and the epic BFTCS and has evolved to the funk of Stand Up to broaden its fanbase, then why be a fan? I love each album for what it is. A change in the direction for the band. They made this album to enjoy playing.
So what if Dave didn't toil over the lyrics this time? It's better than having to analyze over and over what the song is 'really about'. We all know Carter is pretty much a god on the skins. Granted, his work on this album is a bit sparse, there is plenty of room for improvisation on the road. I love what Batson did with Stefan on this album. YOU CAN HEAR HIM. Roi And Boyd are great as usual. The layering of the instruments sounds great, it makes the song more than it is. Each song is a different sound, each with a different musical inspiration. Blues, funk, gospel, hard rock, hip-hop, folk, jazz, samba... you tell me another record on the shelf that has that many influences and I will bow down. But until then, I will continue to think that this is another great step for the Dave Matthews Band.

Peace.

And no, Nitro, it won't bother me that non-DMB fans will like this more than old dave heads. It'll bother me that old dave heads will shun this because it's not what they want to listen to. I mean no offense man, none at all, just try to see it from the bands pov.

Don't tell me whether I can be upset or not. I think I have a right to be upset, afterall it is partially because of us longtime fans who have spent tons of money on album sales, merchandise, tickets, and spreading their music through taping, that put them on the map. And now they are going away from the sound that made us fans in the first place so why wouldn't I be a little mad. Also I fail to see how adding more 14 year old girls to the fanbase is a good thing. And how many times do I have to say the album is alright, it is better than Everyday. Some songs are fantastic while others are just not very good at all, thus making it an average album...I don't want average from my favorite band.

Great post martinitime. But Nitro, if they were your favorite band, why are you a little upset that they don't make every album exactly like what YOU want it to be? It's their's, it's a good album and if you don't like it because it doesn't sound like past albums, no one is losing but you for not being more open to a "new" sound (although it's not incredibly different).

And no, like I said, it doesn't bother me that Daveheads might be bothered, they were all bothered by Everyday but still keep DMB at #1 for live acts... I've been a DMB fan for almost 10 years and I like it, so really I don't know, it's your opinion, I just don't see why you would want them to keep making uttad and btcs type cds when they want to be more dynamic, not to lose fans, but because they want to expand their musical field/influence. Meh, I'm high and tired, good night.

I don't have a problem with them trying something new. BTCS was unlike anything I heard before and I absolutely loved it. There is a way to evolve into a new sound yet still stay faithful to your musical roots. I just think they rushed this album a bit. Dave's lyrics are not up to par with what he is capable of and on some songs the music isn't complex, take a look at Stolen Away, Smooth Rider and even Stand Up, those songs are so simple. And I don't understand how somebody wouldn't want them to make another album in the mold of their previous work. My favorite songs were made in that mold, why wouldn't I want more of them?

[a1075dd63aa12]

As a side note, I was listening to Stand Up in my friends dorm room, and like 4 girls came in, and started dancing, they were like "who is that?" I told them and they were like, wow, good song to dance to. I know it makes it seem poppy and whatever, but if people like it and it makes them want to dance, like Batson said was the purpose for some of the songs, they accomplished what they wanted.

Thats not helping very much, it just feeds my argument more. Doesn't it bother you that non-DMB fans like it more than longtime fans?

I've been listening to Dave Matthews Band for nearly a decade. Most of my friends listen to DMB, they might not be as diehard a fan as I, but they still enjoy it. So you're telling me I should be upset that they (non dmb fans) will like it more than longtime fans?
If longtime fans cannot appreciate the fact that the band has moved from the frat-rock of UTTAD and the epic BFTCS and has evolved to the funk of Stand Up to broaden its fanbase, then why be a fan? I love each album for what it is. A change in the direction for the band. They made this album to enjoy playing.
So what if Dave didn't toil over the lyrics this time? It's better than having to analyze over and over what the song is 'really about'. We all know Carter is pretty much a god on the skins. Granted, his work on this album is a bit sparse, there is plenty of room for improvisation on the road. I love what Batson did with Stefan on this album. YOU CAN HEAR HIM. Roi And Boyd are great as usual. The layering of the instruments sounds great, it makes the song more than it is. Each song is a different sound, each with a different musical inspiration. Blues, funk, gospel, hard rock, hip-hop, folk, jazz, samba... you tell me another record on the shelf that has that many influences and I will bow down. But until then, I will continue to think that this is another great step for the Dave Matthews Band.

Peace.

And no, Nitro, it won't bother me that non-DMB fans will like this more than old dave heads. It'll bother me that old dave heads will shun this because it's not what they want to listen to. I mean no offense man, none at all, just try to see it from the bands pov.

Don't tell me whether I can be upset or not. I think I have a right to be upset, afterall it is partially because of us longtime fans who have spent tons of money on album sales, merchandise, tickets, and spreading their music through taping, that put them on the map. And now they are going away from the sound that made us fans in the first place so why wouldn't I be a little mad. Also I fail to see how adding more 14 year old girls to the fanbase is a good thing. And how many times do I have to say the album is alright, it is better than Everyday. Some songs are fantastic while others are just not very good at all, thus making it an average album...I don't want average from my favorite band.

Great post martinitime. But Nitro, if they were your favorite band, why are you a little upset that they don't make every album exactly like what YOU want it to be? It's their's, it's a good album and if you don't like it because it doesn't sound like past albums, no one is losing but you for not being more open to a "new" sound (although it's not incredibly different).

And no, like I said, it doesn't bother me that Daveheads might be bothered, they were all bothered by Everyday but still keep DMB at #1 for live acts... I've been a DMB fan for almost 10 years and I like it, so really I don't know, it's your opinion, I just don't see why you would want them to keep making uttad and btcs type cds when they want to be more dynamic, not to lose fans, but because they want to expand their musical field/influence. Meh, I'm high and tired, good night.

I don't have a problem with them trying something new. BTCS was unlike anything I heard before and I absolutely loved it. There is a way to evolve into a new sound yet still stay faithful to your musical roots. I just think they rushed this album a bit. Dave's lyrics are not up to par with what he is capable of and on some songs the music isn't complex, take a look at Stolen Away, Smooth Rider and even Stand Up, those songs are so simple. And I don't understand how somebody wouldn't want them to make another album in the mold of their previous work. My favorite songs were made in that mold, why wouldn't I want more of them?

i agree with nitro, the reason they are one of my favorite bands is because previous cd's have blown me away, and this one just doesnt do it. it is completely individual it is an opinion. the fact that they are as big as they are because of the people who have went out and purchased all of the records, been to numerous concerts and have been with the band before the music became simple pop shit with little depth musically. the cd is an "ok" album, just "ok" i have listened to the cd 8 or 9 times completely through and it still doesnt do it for me. in fact i thought i was being too judgmental so i listened to stand up all of the way through and said is it really that mediocre? so i put on under the table and dreaming on immediately after that and there is no comparison. this album may be good music in some people's opinions but this is not the same music that made me dig the band as much as i have previously. i realize they are older now and want to go in a new direction, and that is respectable. but it does piss me off to some degree when an artist makes it big because of their fan base, and then they go out and alienate said "fanbase". this is a selfish reason, but frankly that doesnt matter, i have no tie to the band other than when they put out good music i will listen to it and praise it, but when it is just "ok" i am going to say so. if they want to go in a new direction that is fine, but dont expect the original fan base to shell out upwards of 50 to 60 dollars to go listen to average music, just so they can hear a couple of old favorites through out the course of the night. also the band shouldnt be surprised when their fans turn into people who are strictly pop fans who will alienate the band in a couple of months because it isnt the "cool" music to listen to anymore. thats the end of my rant

[seanbryantkbq]

As a side note, I was listening to Stand Up in my friends dorm room, and like 4 girls came in, and started dancing, they were like "who is that?" I told them and they were like, wow, good song to dance to. I know it makes it seem poppy and whatever, but if people like it and it makes them want to dance, like Batson said was the purpose for some of the songs, they accomplished what they wanted.

Thats not helping very much, it just feeds my argument more. Doesn't it bother you that non-DMB fans like it more than longtime fans?

I've been listening to Dave Matthews Band for nearly a decade. Most of my friends listen to DMB, they might not be as diehard a fan as I, but they still enjoy it. So you're telling me I should be upset that they (non dmb fans) will like it more than longtime fans?
If longtime fans cannot appreciate the fact that the band has moved from the frat-rock of UTTAD and the epic BFTCS and has evolved to the funk of Stand Up to broaden its fanbase, then why be a fan? I love each album for what it is. A change in the direction for the band. They made this album to enjoy playing.
So what if Dave didn't toil over the lyrics this time? It's better than having to analyze over and over what the song is 'really about'. We all know Carter is pretty much a god on the skins. Granted, his work on this album is a bit sparse, there is plenty of room for improvisation on the road. I love what Batson did with Stefan on this album. YOU CAN HEAR HIM. Roi And Boyd are great as usual. The layering of the instruments sounds great, it makes the song more than it is. Each song is a different sound, each with a different musical inspiration. Blues, funk, gospel, hard rock, hip-hop, folk, jazz, samba... you tell me another record on the shelf that has that many influences and I will bow down. But until then, I will continue to think that this is another great step for the Dave Matthews Band.

Peace.

And no, Nitro, it won't bother me that non-DMB fans will like this more than old dave heads. It'll bother me that old dave heads will shun this because it's not what they want to listen to. I mean no offense man, none at all, just try to see it from the bands pov.

Don't tell me whether I can be upset or not. I think I have a right to be upset, afterall it is partially because of us longtime fans who have spent tons of money on album sales, merchandise, tickets, and spreading their music through taping, that put them on the map. And now they are going away from the sound that made us fans in the first place so why wouldn't I be a little mad. Also I fail to see how adding more 14 year old girls to the fanbase is a good thing. And how many times do I have to say the album is alright, it is better than Everyday. Some songs are fantastic while others are just not very good at all, thus making it an average album...I don't want average from my favorite band.

Great post martinitime. But Nitro, if they were your favorite band, why are you a little upset that they don't make every album exactly like what YOU want it to be? It's their's, it's a good album and if you don't like it because it doesn't sound like past albums, no one is losing but you for not being more open to a "new" sound (although it's not incredibly different).

And no, like I said, it doesn't bother me that Daveheads might be bothered, they were all bothered by Everyday but still keep DMB at #1 for live acts... I've been a DMB fan for almost 10 years and I like it, so really I don't know, it's your opinion, I just don't see why you would want them to keep making uttad and btcs type cds when they want to be more dynamic, not to lose fans, but because they want to expand their musical field/influence. Meh, I'm high and tired, good night.

I don't have a problem with them trying something new. BTCS was unlike anything I heard before and I absolutely loved it. There is a way to evolve into a new sound yet still stay faithful to your musical roots. I just think they rushed this album a bit. Dave's lyrics are not up to par with what he is capable of and on some songs the music isn't complex, take a look at Stolen Away, Smooth Rider and even Stand Up, those songs are so simple. And I don't understand how somebody wouldn't want them to make another album in the mold of their previous work. My favorite songs were made in that mold, why wouldn't I want more of them?

i agree with nitro, the reason they are one of my favorite bands is because previous cd's have blown me away, and this one just doesnt do it. it is completely individual it is an opinion. the fact that they are as big as they are because of the people who have went out and purchased all of the records, been to numerous concerts and have been with the band before the music became simple pop shit with little depth musically. the cd is an "ok" album, just "ok" i have listened to the cd 8 or 9 times completely through and it still doesnt do it for me. in fact i thought i was being too judgmental so i listened to stand up all of the way through and said is it really that mediocre? so i put on under the table and dreaming on immediately after that and there is no comparison. this album may be good music in some people's opinions but this is not the same music that made me dig the band as much as i have previously. i realize they are older now and want to go in a new direction, and that is respectable. but it does piss me off to some degree when an artist makes it big because of their fan base, and then they go out and alienate said "fanbase". this is a selfish reason, but frankly that doesnt matter, i have no tie to the band other than when they put out good music i will listen to it and praise it, but when it is just "ok" i am going to say so. if they want to go in a new direction that is fine, but dont expect the original fan base to shell out upwards of 50 to 60 dollars to go listen to average music, just so they can hear a couple of old favorites through out the course of the night. also the band shouldnt be surprised when their fans turn into people who are strictly pop fans who will alienate the band in a couple of months because it isnt the "cool" music to listen to anymore. thats the end of my rant

agree

[Davy28]

I just listened to it all the way through thanks to Vh1's little thingie. I like it. Better than Everyday, and I liked everyday pretty well for the most part. Not as much as Lilywhite/Busted Stuff, but pretty close. I know the songs will grow on me, because the initial impression is good for the most part. That fact that none of them ends on a final note, they all just fade out, makes me hopeful for some nice long jams.

My favs are Steady as we go and Lousiana Bayou.
I love the Piano on the former and the bands involvment on the later. I can See Lousiana Bayou being a huge song live.

Only two really stick out that I dislike. Everybody wake up is way overproduced and could have been a good song but with all the crazy effects and inserted sounds like garbage.

And Hunger for the Great Light just bugs me for a lot of reasons. I know Stefan is a relatively inexperienced guitar player, but he needs to stick to the bass. It was a decent effort on his part, but the song just sounds rushed musically, as if not much thought went into it before it was actually recorded. And I am unsure what the lyrics are trying to prove, but ones that are that overtly about oral sex and cunnilingus are rather out of place with DMB. I mean, December by Collective Soul was more poetically effective about oral sex that hunger for the great light is.

[Blake]

As a side note, I was listening to Stand Up in my friends dorm room, and like 4 girls came in, and started dancing, they were like "who is that?" I told them and they were like, wow, good song to dance to. I know it makes it seem poppy and whatever, but if people like it and it makes them want to dance, like Batson said was the purpose for some of the songs, they accomplished what they wanted.

Thats not helping very much, it just feeds my argument more. Doesn't it bother you that non-DMB fans like it more than longtime fans?

I've been listening to Dave Matthews Band for nearly a decade. Most of my friends listen to DMB, they might not be as diehard a fan as I, but they still enjoy it. So you're telling me I should be upset that they (non dmb fans) will like it more than longtime fans?
If longtime fans cannot appreciate the fact that the band has moved from the frat-rock of UTTAD and the epic BFTCS and has evolved to the funk of Stand Up to broaden its fanbase, then why be a fan? I love each album for what it is. A change in the direction for the band. They made this album to enjoy playing.
So what if Dave didn't toil over the lyrics this time? It's better than having to analyze over and over what the song is 'really about'. We all know Carter is pretty much a god on the skins. Granted, his work on this album is a bit sparse, there is plenty of room for improvisation on the road. I love what Batson did with Stefan on this album. YOU CAN HEAR HIM. Roi And Boyd are great as usual. The layering of the instruments sounds great, it makes the song more than it is. Each song is a different sound, each with a different musical inspiration. Blues, funk, gospel, hard rock, hip-hop, folk, jazz, samba... you tell me another record on the shelf that has that many influences and I will bow down. But until then, I will continue to think that this is another great step for the Dave Matthews Band.

Peace.

And no, Nitro, it won't bother me that non-DMB fans will like this more than old dave heads. It'll bother me that old dave heads will shun this because it's not what they want to listen to. I mean no offense man, none at all, just try to see it from the bands pov.

Don't tell me whether I can be upset or not. I think I have a right to be upset, afterall it is partially because of us longtime fans who have spent tons of money on album sales, merchandise, tickets, and spreading their music through taping, that put them on the map. And now they are going away from the sound that made us fans in the first place so why wouldn't I be a little mad. Also I fail to see how adding more 14 year old girls to the fanbase is a good thing. And how many times do I have to say the album is alright, it is better than Everyday. Some songs are fantastic while others are just not very good at all, thus making it an average album...I don't want average from my favorite band.

Great post martinitime. But Nitro, if they were your favorite band, why are you a little upset that they don't make every album exactly like what YOU want it to be? It's their's, it's a good album and if you don't like it because it doesn't sound like past albums, no one is losing but you for not being more open to a "new" sound (although it's not incredibly different).

And no, like I said, it doesn't bother me that Daveheads might be bothered, they were all bothered by Everyday but still keep DMB at #1 for live acts... I've been a DMB fan for almost 10 years and I like it, so really I don't know, it's your opinion, I just don't see why you would want them to keep making uttad and btcs type cds when they want to be more dynamic, not to lose fans, but because they want to expand their musical field/influence. Meh, I'm high and tired, good night.

I don't have a problem with them trying something new. BTCS was unlike anything I heard before and I absolutely loved it. There is a way to evolve into a new sound yet still stay faithful to your musical roots. I just think they rushed this album a bit. Dave's lyrics are not up to par with what he is capable of and on some songs the music isn't complex, take a look at Stolen Away, Smooth Rider and even Stand Up, those songs are so simple. And I don't understand how somebody wouldn't want them to make another album in the mold of their previous work. My favorite songs were made in that mold, why wouldn't I want more of them?

i agree with nitro, the reason they are one of my favorite bands is because previous cd's have blown me away, and this one just doesnt do it. it is completely individual it is an opinion. the fact that they are as big as they are because of the people who have went out and purchased all of the records, been to numerous concerts and have been with the band before the music became simple pop shit with little depth musically. the cd is an "ok" album, just "ok" i have listened to the cd 8 or 9 times completely through and it still doesnt do it for me. in fact i thought i was being too judgmental so i listened to stand up all of the way through and said is it really that mediocre? so i put on under the table and dreaming on immediately after that and there is no comparison. this album may be good music in some people's opinions but this is not the same music that made me dig the band as much as i have previously. i realize they are older now and want to go in a new direction, and that is respectable. but it does piss me off to some degree when an artist makes it big because of their fan base, and then they go out and alienate said "fanbase". this is a selfish reason, but frankly that doesnt matter, i have no tie to the band other than when they put out good music i will listen to it and praise it, but when it is just "ok" i am going to say so. if they want to go in a new direction that is fine, but dont expect the original fan base to shell out upwards of 50 to 60 dollars to go listen to average music, just so they can hear a couple of old favorites through out the course of the night. also the band shouldnt be surprised when their fans turn into people who are strictly pop fans who will alienate the band in a couple of months because it isnt the "cool" music to listen to anymore. thats the end of my rant

agree

I agree to, except I'm not pissed that they alienated their fan base, I'm pissed because I know they can do much better than this. This album is definitely not their potential. It sounds half-assed.

[i-am-me]

okay, stop quoting that monster of a pyramid.

anyway, you guys need to understand that people not liking an album is okay. they are going in a new direction, and if you like taht new direction, then more power to you. but the problem is that this new direction is not what made the band.

so of course, us die hard fans aren't impressed, and we'll express that opinion. we don't have to like everything this band touches to make them our favorite band. they are by far my favorite band, and they have a decent amount of complete shit that i'd speak out against in a heart beat.

if the new album is just mediocore, then we'll tell you that. you don't have to fight us about it. you like it, we don't. wonderful.

[jsgksu]

okay, stop quoting that monster of a pyramid.

anyway, you guys need to understand that people not liking an album is okay. they are going in a new direction, and if you like taht new direction, then more power to you. but the problem is that this new direction is not what made the band.

so of course, us die hard fans aren't impressed, and we'll express that opinion. we don't have to like everything this band touches to make them our favorite band. they are by far my favorite band, and they have a decent amount of complete shit that i'd speak out against in a heart beat.

if the new album is just mediocore, then we'll tell you that. you don't have to fight us about it. you like it, we don't. wonderful.

Quit all this we shit, Im a diehard fan and I like the album.

[Mjazk26]

if they want to go in a new direction that is fine, but dont expect the original fan base to shell out upwards of 50 to 60 dollars to go listen to average music, just so they can hear a couple of old favorites through out the course of the night. also the band shouldnt be surprised when their fans turn into people who are strictly pop fans who will alienate the band in a couple of months because it isnt the "cool" music to listen to anymore. thats the end of my rant

Amen to that. I have listened to the album over and over and just don’t have the complexity that draws me into the past albums. When I heard who the producer was for this album I was skeptical and now I realize I had good reason too be. Several of the songs are fairly short, simple, and fairly repetitive.

Another thing that bothers me is how in all the interviews the band says how they didn't work that hard and it came so easy and Stefan even says he can listen to the album over and over because he doesn't feel as connected or as if it is really them. That’s probably because it doesn't sound all that much like any of their other stuff and it was probably not much work because most of the lyrics arn't near as good as in the past and the songs seem much less complex and over produced.

I really tried to give this album a chance but instead of it growing on me I have already become tired of it. Hopefully they will come out with some kick ass live versions of these songs to save this album.

The songs I do like are Lousiana Boyou, American Baby, and I actually Like Stolen Away on 55th and 3rd eventhough its over produced however it gets old real quick which is the problem I have with most of the album.

I guess this is the direction the band wanted to go so it will be interesting to see how this material sounds live. I think they could still come up with some kick ass live versions of these songs as they normally do. We shall see.

[i-am-me]

okay, stop quoting that monster of a pyramid.

anyway, you guys need to understand that people not liking an album is okay. they are going in a new direction, and if you like taht new direction, then more power to you. but the problem is that this new direction is not what made the band.

so of course, us die hard fans aren't impressed, and we'll express that opinion. we don't have to like everything this band touches to make them our favorite band. they are by far my favorite band, and they have a decent amount of complete shit that i'd speak out against in a heart beat.

if the new album is just mediocore, then we'll tell you that. you don't have to fight us about it. you like it, we don't. wonderful.

Quit all this we shit, Im a diehard fan and I like the album.

the we wasn't directed at "die hard fans"

it was directed at the group of us who aren't impressed with the album...as opposed to the rest of you who do like the album so far.

i just read my post again and you're right. my bad. that came out the wrong way.