John Mayer is a better guitarist and songwriter than DMB

[Appfro]

RAWWWR! You are all wrong! Dave Mayer is an excellent lyricist but can't play guitar for crap!

how's that, elliot?

what is your opinion on how sting equates into DMB/John Mayer's success?

you really like this shit dont ya buddy?

i have no real arguement sooo...

RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE!

do you get that rabble rabble rabble off of my away message the other night??? ive never heard you use it before? don't lie now. i know it came from sp, that's where i got it. come on now....tell the truth

[fatjack]

RAWWWR! You are all wrong! Dave Mayer is an excellent lyricist but can't play guitar for crap!

how's that, elliot?

what is your opinion on how sting equates into DMB/John Mayer's success?

you really like this shit dont ya buddy?

i have no real arguement sooo...

RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE!

do you get that rabble rabble rabble off of my away message the other night??? ive never heard you use it before? don't lie now. i know it came from sp, that's where i got it. come on now....tell the truth

nope, i didn't even look at your away message.... i just love that episode

[Appfro]

how come evertime chinese man try to build shitty wall, damn mongolians tear it down.

ok back to the discussion. john mayer should have to tune dave's guitars before dave plays.

(that oughtta start something)

[ticohans]

Sting probably plays guitar better than both Dave and John

[gcom007]

Sting probably plays guitar better than both Dave and John

definitely better than dave...I'm not sure about John...he really is good...but he certainly knows how to use his guitar better...what a songwriter...

[kevmccon]

I thought sting was a bassist? anyway dave matthews is a rhythm guitarist, he writes way more versatile riffs then mayer does, though mayer may be a technically skilled guitarist, he doesnt jam half as well as matthews can. If you learn to play mayers songs, you notice theyre all based on the same chordal structures, (he isnt that creative) Mayer also writes songs to please 13 yr olds, so his songs have to be about love and hot girls and bs like that. Dave matthews writes for a mature audience, and is famous for being very versatile in his style of music, just think of the people on his new album. So i think overall dave is a better singer/songwriter, but its hard to compare them. Sting i dont have much respect for, i dont think hes written anything to special

[Brock]

I thought sting was a bassist? anyway dave matthews is a rhythm guitarist, he writes way more versatile riffs then mayer does, though mayer may be a technically skilled guitarist, he doesnt jam half as well as matthews can. If you learn to play mayers songs, you notice theyre all based on the same chordal structures, (he isnt that creative) Mayer also writes songs to please 13 yr olds, so his songs have to be about love and hot girls and bs like that. Dave matthews writes for a mature audience, and is famous for being very versatile in his style of music, just think of the people on his new album. So i think overall dave is a better singer/songwriter, but its hard to compare them. Sting i dont have much respect for, i dont think hes written anything to special

you're gonna get some flames for this one, be forewarned. but to discuss a few of your points:

-mayer can jam... it's not the same kind of jam that dave does, it's more of an SRV/Clapton-kinda jam, but it's good nonetheless
-almost all of mayer's early songs were good and not at all meant to please 13 year olds... now, eh...
-you're gonna have *SOME* (unnamed.........) people (well, okay, elliot) say dave is not creative in songwriting and mayer is, i don't really have an opinion on this though.

[fatjack]

I thought sting was a bassist? anyway dave matthews is a rhythm guitarist, he writes way more versatile riffs then mayer does, though mayer may be a technically skilled guitarist, he doesnt jam half as well as matthews can. If you learn to play mayers songs, you notice theyre all based on the same chordal structures, (he isnt that creative) Mayer also writes songs to please 13 yr olds, so his songs have to be about love and hot girls and bs like that. Dave matthews writes for a mature audience, and is famous for being very versatile in his style of music, just think of the people on his new album. So i think overall dave is a better singer/songwriter, but its hard to compare them. Sting i dont have much respect for, i dont think hes written anything to special

i think somebody is passing out carbon copies of this response nowadays...

and what the hell does everyone mean by versatile? i think mayer is much more versatile because of the fact that he is technically a better guitar player. and whats the deal with everyone saying dave is this phenomenal "jammer"? just cuz he dances around and plays a little riff over and over doesn't mean he "jams"

and if you accuse mayer of using the same chordal structures over and over, you better accuse dave of the same thing. he's not as creative as you would like to think.

your entitled to your own opinion, but the fact that you said that you dont respect sting's music is a spot-on indication that your opinion is based upon little to no knowledge of the subject...

and yes sting is a bassist, but he can definitely play guitar better than dave

[kevmccon]

Lol fatjack, anyone who jams knows that the rhythm is way more important then the melody, it sets the whole song. Dave plays the rhythm, if you listen to his songs where he has a nice jam, you can hear him change tempo, accentuate the leads of the saxophone etc., open up the jam (like in what would you say), that little riff over and over is what allows everything else to sound good, and its not easy

Dave does have typical styles and structures to his songs, but they dont sound the same by any means, hes able to use them creatively enough so that you wouldnt even realize it without a trained ear. and he does way more different stuff then mayer

John mayers songs sound suspiciously simailar, and its not very creative to play SRV style leads, its basically pentatonic scales, just showoffy stuff, if you want to hear SRV listen to SRV, john mayer used to play a lot here in rhode island a while ago, and yes he was cooler then, and i dont hate john mayer or anything, i like listening to him, his songs are good, i just dont think hes quite on the level of dave matthews, in a decade or two when he has outgrown the teen idol thing, i bet he'll be awesome

And i mean if you think im wrong about sting fine, but at least give a reason, just a vague statement about how that reflects on my knowledge, makes me feel you dont have any real arguments, your just offended by what i said

[fatjack]

do you even know what jam means? playing a written riff that is part of the song is not jamming. this is more again to "staying in a groove". and, despite what you think, it is easy (especially when you play it almost every night) jamming is when a bunch of musicians get together and start expressing musical ideas on the spot, the dave matthews band does very little of this, especially dave. carter is really the only one who "jams". also, if dave changed the tempo of his part, that would sound awful, playing off tempo is never a good idea...

and yes your opinion about sting is not based on any solid knowledge because you didn't back up YOUR opinion. why do you not respect sting?

sting is overall a superior musician for one reason: his composition skills. dave's music would be nothing without the influence of the talented musician's in his band like carter. sting pretty much arranged every single song for the police and he of course did this on his solo albums too. basicall, sting is just more talented musically. dave writes a guitar part, and that's it. sting can write for pretty much any instrument he wanted to.

[kevmccon]

But look at the songs sting has written? its like hes trying to make music for 40 year old middle class white people so they can still go to concerts and feel cool!, I wouldnt say hes particulary bad, but i dont see any special revolutionary things brought about by his music, hes just become one of those big names over the last 2 decades where people just assume hes good without actually examining his music. hes a mediaphilo, and hes a bad actor too,

Dave has proven that he is a capable solo artist look at his tours with tim, and i have no doubt his new album will rock

And since when has dave ever played a song the same way twice? he changes them up all the time, (he jams), and working with carter and stefan he helps speed up and slow down the songs to make them climactic, something which changes every time they play it.

And i should have said jamming is as easy as you want it to be, if you just want to do something ordinary then yes it is easy, but i know very few people who can jam with the difficult rhythms and timings and keys DMB plays in, like DMB can

[fatjack]

difficult rhythms of DMB? i dont know what music you have been listening to... and on what planet could you think his solo album will be good, have you listened to any of the clips?

and dave has played many songs the same way twice. to think otherwise is just be naive. adding in one little extra strum here and there doesn't make the song different...

i dont think sting has written anything revolutionary either, but he is a solid songwriter. i feel the same way about dave, he's a good songwriter, but he isn't the guitar savant that everyone takes him to be. i like stingand im not 40 nor do i listen to it to be cool. nor do i assume he is good because everyone else says so. if you accuse sting of being a mediaphile, then dave can be accused of the same thing. I don't know if you directed this toward me but if you did the assumption that i only like sting just because i assume he is good is probably the only offensive thing you've said so far.

if you respected sting i would value your opinion much more because it shows you can see a musician's ability despite the fact that you dislike his music. i can't stand john mayer, but i still respect his ability

[gcom007]

this is amazing, I don't htink I'm going to say a word

[Easy E]

Sting's another person that would be a hero. The music that he's made over the years, I don't really listen to, but I respect the fact that he's making it.

[Appfro]

Sting's another person that would be a hero. The music that he's made over the years, I don't really listen to, but I respect the fact that he's making it.

he's good...at pretty much every instrument...much like phil collins, only sting doesn't suck and scream really loudly. BUT he's just not my cup of tea. and the police, while good, were nothing but white reggea (sp?). but im glad they got into the hall o fame. they deserved it.