Flea and Wooten

tietjen2k · Unread post by **tietjen2k** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:43 pm

I dont see how anybody can think that flea is better or even up to par with wooten. Wooten is such an inovater of the bass world, coming up with new techniques or bringing older techniques back into the bass world.

He does every kind of music and isnt afraid to break down boundaries of the bass world, all with a very humble and fun attitude.

All flea seems to do is slap octaves and do slap/mute paterns and jump around a lot more. Then he'll do really quick slap fills and everyone will be like blown away.

Now lets just imagine flea and victor in a duel. Flea mainly does slapping and poping octave paterns. Victor comes out with double thump pluck pluck paterns, taping, and unbelivable speed but acuracy.

I really feel that flea is such a big name in the bass world because hes in a more mainstream band. If you put both flea and victor in a band that wasnt popular with the public, who do you think youd hear of more?

With victors dynamics and mindset my obvious opinion would be victor. Anyone who has seen victor live im sure would agree.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:34 pm

i like how you keep saying "bass world", like its a different planet or something...

i agree with what you are saying, but your reasoning behind it is kinda lame and it looks like you analyzed something that shouldn't be analyzed. and what do you mean by "what if they dueled?" how do you duel someone on a musical instrument??

i like tictacs · Unread post by **i like tictacs** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:48 pm

tietjen2k wrote:I dont see how anybody can think that flea is better or even up to par with wooten. Wooten is such an inovater of the bass world, coming up with new techniques or bringing older techniques back into the bass world.

He does every kind of music and isnt afraid to break down boundaries of the bass world, all with a very humble and fun attitude.

All flea seems to do is slap octaves and do slap/mute paterns and jump around a lot more. Then he'll do really quick slap fills and everyone will be like blown away.

Now lets just imagine flea and victor in a duel. Flea mainly does slapping and poping octave paterns. Victor comes out with double thump pluck pluck paterns, taping, and unbelivable speed but acuracy.

I really feel that flea is such a big name in the bass world because hes in a more mainstream band. If you put both flea and victor in a band that wasnt popular with the public, who do you think youd hear of more?

With victors dynamics and mindset my obvious opinion would be victor. Anyone who has seen victor live im sure would agree.

Flea probably won't be good at playing vics stuff, but I bet he can do it. Vic probably won't be good at playing flea's stuff but I bet he can do it. I don't really get what your saying. Music is music, yeah vic is great but who really cares? let the people enjoy whatever. where this came from, i have no idea.

tietjen2k · Unread post by **tietjen2k** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:40 pm

just annoys me that i constantly get teenagers telling me how flea is the god of bass.

i think he just got way over rated, and Id have to disagree with flea being able to play victors stuff, victors easier stuff I'd say yes - but his complex solos I dont think flea would stand a chances.

id also have to disagree with victor not being able to play fleas type of music - as I play a wide variety of music and find fleas lines to be cake and not that complicated. not much to fleas lines really, as I feel anybody whose played bass for atleast a year or so could do any of fleas lines. I think with victors knowledge of bass hed easily be able to play with the chili peppers and bring more of a spice to them.

as for dueling, dueling on instruments is common. You'll hear of dueling banjos ect, its mainly when one player goes and plays a few lines then the next player has to match it - all improv. Something fun to do with your friends.

tietjen2k · Unread post by **tietjen2k** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:49 pm

this doesnt go for just victor - goes for many bassist as I feel theres many many bassists out there that should be more respected and recognized.

i've been a fan of the chili peppers for a long time - dont get me wrong im not anti chili peppers. im not anti flea either - but i think its dumb how the public blows flea up to be considered a top bassist

kopie101 · Unread post by **kopie101** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:04 pm

also keep in mind tho, while victor has been playing bass since he was 3 and is solely a bass player, flea did/does sooo much other stuff, he actually doesnt really concentrate on bass anymore, hes a huge wind instrument guy and even writes some of the chili pepper songs on guitar, especially on one hot minute.
but that doesnt mean im taking away from either of them, in my opinion, victor is a better bassist, tho they are very different. i used to think flea was the best(and he can do some really sick shit in terms of speed) but then i heard victor and saw him and now i think vic when i think bass.

oh and lets not bash tietjen2k for bringing up another whos better thread(not that anyone is), its just somethin to talk about, which is good

tietjen2k · Unread post by **tietjen2k** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:13 pm

im just trying to express my point of view.

i dont see flea as a bad person, I'm sure hes done a lot of good - but what Im saying is >AS A BASS PLAYER< my view is flea gets blown up way too big and causes a bunch of less musicaly educated people to think hes the best there is.

when i say victor has more of an open mind - i mean musically. victor isnt afraid to do anything. Vics basis is really a love for funk, and when bela came up to him with a banjo - most funk musicians would be really close minded about it.

vic hopped right in, and to this day anything thats put in his path, he'll do. You could go up to victor and ask him to play punk, though Vic isn't much of a punk rocker, he will play it and understand it and make it better. I work for Vic and some of his friends. And I've gotten to speak with him time to time about music.

For such a humble yet aweing bass player i think he deserves more credit.

Flea isn't trash or a bad guy - just over rated.

kopie101 · Unread post by **kopie101** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:20 pm

one cool thing i learned about vic with bela is that bela really likes playing with him as opposed to other people because where other people would say to bela "thats a little too complicated lets make it a little more simple" vic would say "hey thats sweet, lets expound on that." and the fact he is able to is even more impressive

i like tictacs · Unread post by **i like tictacs** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:25 pm

from LATQ? I loved those interviews.

kopie101 · Unread post by **kopie101** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:28 pm

yah the dvd...if you have that(which i assume you do)..dont you love watchin the amazing grace solo..i love it at the end when he tightens the string to make that final effect...soo sweet

i like tictacs · Unread post by **i like tictacs** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:31 pm

yeah i do that all the time now when i play that song. he is THE man.

tietjen2k · Unread post by **tietjen2k** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:44 pm

yeah - its pretty crazy to watch how much control he has over the bass and how relaxed he is with it. I've seen him play an intense solo while tuning up and down steps while playing to switch in and out of 3rds and 4ths.

i use the amazing grace thing all the time - is such a cool effect for an ending

tietjen2k · Unread post by **tietjen2k** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:46 pm

speaking of victor - i heard you guys got an earth jam tab around here somewhere? i got most of it down but I wanna compare it to see if its half right with other tabers.

i like tictacs · Unread post by **i like tictacs** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:58 pm

tietjen2k wrote:im just trying to express my point of view.

i dont see flea as a bad person, I'm sure hes done a lot of good - but what Im saying is >AS A BASS PLAYER< my view is flea gets blown up way too big and causes a bunch of less musicaly educated people to think hes the best there is.

when i say victor has more of an open mind - i mean musically. victor isnt afraid to do anything. Vics basis is really a love for funk, and when bela came up to him with a banjo - most funk musicians would be really close minded about it.

vic hopped right in, and to this day anything thats put in his path, he'll do. You could go up to victor and ask him to play punk, though Vic isn't much of a punk rocker, he will play it and understand it and make it better. I work for Vic and some of his friends. And I've gotten to speak with him time to time about music.

For such a humble yet aweing bass player i think he deserves more credit.

Flea isn't trash or a bad guy - just over rated.

Much better way to put it. I agree 100%.

Bartender2424 · Unread post by **Bartender2424** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:43 pm

A name I dun hear enough on this forum is Claypool. You guys ever listen to Primus or the Fearless Flying Frog Brigade. Claypools the man. If you havent seen him or heard him play, buy Bonaroo 2002 and watch Thela hun Ginjeet, woooow.

As for Flea and Vic. Vic's my jesus, but I also have no desire to listen to Red Hot Chili Peppers. Its only in the mind and soul brother. Skill Wise.... Victor all the way brotha, but Flea is sorta revolutionary. When you hear a band these days you know the Guitarist, the lead singer, the drummer (sometimes), but you never know who the bassist is, unless your really into the band. Flea came along and he made people take a look at bassists instead of just listening to the guitarists. BUt like I said mind and soul brotha, Mind and Soul.

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