**OFFICIAL BOYD RULES THREAD**

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 1:05 am

mbgreen, i could care less about energy if it means out of tune three note solos repeated over and over and over and over again. the reason people go "apeshit" when boyd plays is because they don't have a clue what good violin is, and the fact that dmb uses it is unique enough in today's disgusting "music" that you can play like crap and still sound really good to the uninitiated ear. i don't get how people can talk about butch's solos being boring while defending the junk that boyd passes off. butch is twenty times the musician that boyd is, and the only reason people like boyd is because they have no clue what a good violin solo sounds like.

mbgreen · Unread post by **mbgreen** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 4:27 am

Tico, I get what you're saying, and I do know Boyd gets out of tune a little too often. Seriously, if we're talking musicianship, Butch is twenty times the musician Boyd is. However, if that's what we're going on, so is Elton John, or Mozart for that matter. But that doesnt mean I want to listen to either of them, especially in a setting like a DMB show. I just think Boyd's style (Yes, some people find his three note solos fun when theyre at a show - I suppose ignorance is bliss, right?) fits in twenty times better than Butch's does with DMB. Butch is twenty times the musician, but his place isnt with the DMB. At least not in my opinon. And I'm not defending Boyd's skill - my roommate's little sister is probably better at the violin - but I think he brings more to the table than just music. And there's a lot to be said for that.

Boot Butch, bring back Tim, I'm happy.

DmbFanJason · Unread post by **DmbFanJason** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 4:59 am

ticohans wrote:mbgreen, i could care less about energy if it means out of tune three note solos repeated over and over and over and over again. the reason people go "apeshit" when boyd plays is because they don't have a clue what good violin is, and the fact that dmb uses it is unique enough in today's disgusting "music" that you can play like crap and still sound really good to the uninitiated ear. i don't get how people can talk about butch's solos being boring while defending the junk that boyd passes off. butch is twenty times the musician that boyd is, and the only reason people like boyd is because they have no clue what a good violin solo sounds like.

dude...I am really starting to not like boyd...I was really excited about downloading the ants marching woodstock video...then I watched it, and boyd totally ruined it for me...He was so out of tune, it just sounded nasty...I saw DMCB this weekend, and I would take that guys violin over boyds......it was utterly irritating watching woodstock....if I were to keep either butch or boyd, I would take boyd because I dont know if you can really tell when its live....butch is just boring and doesnt need to be there...to me he's like "the lovely ladies" which really are not that lovely at all and ruin some of the songs for me as well...I really hate them, I hate it when they sing in Stay and Granny and True reflections(I pretty much hate that song anyway)...I say fuckin put timmy reynolds out there and keep him out there...he needs to be on stage with DMB before anybody else in the world...He blows away all other musicians that have ever played with DMB...why dont they just stop being a bunch of pussies and make him part of the band...I never understood that...he can be part of DMB and still do his own thing, can't he?

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 9:30 am

Ok, mbgreen, that's cool. I guess it's just a matter of personal taste then. I think Butch rocks with DMB and that he REALLY helps to fill out their sound in a sophisticated way.

And Jason, while Tim might be great, I don't think he's the best musician to ever play with DMB. I think that both Vic Wooten and Bela Fleck probably are better.

olkskoolpik · Unread post by **olkskoolpik** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 5:04 pm

i have a few problems with people talking about how out of tune boyd always is. basically you are saying you are a more accomplished musician, and you have a better ear for pitch than dave matthews. do you really think that if boyd was constantly out of tune and dragging down the band that dave, or anyone else would allow it to go on. there is no way that boyd comprimises the DMB whatsoever, and maybe all of you expert musicians should call dave and tell him that someone in his band is out of tune and dragging down the band. as for butch, i will agree that he may not be the best fit for DMB but that is only because hes not what youre expecting to hear at the concerts, just because he adds a different element to the band definately doesnt make it bad or wrong, its just different, think of all the great bands that have used piano in their live shows, pink floyd, the stones, the eagles, lynyrd skynyrd, the beatles, im not saying DMB is trying to emulate any of these bands, but i am saying that there were probably fans who didnt appreciate these bands having piano players either, but thats why theyre the musicians and were the fans, so they can do what works for them, and we can sit back and tell ourselves that we could do it better.

mbgreen · Unread post by **mbgreen** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 5:26 pm

Dude, Im not tyring to come off as a dick here, but either

A) The only live shows you listen to are official releases, and thus Boyd has to be in tune, or:

B) You don't have an ear.

Dont get me wrong, I love Boyd. Read my earlier posts...but he is out of tune alllllll the time. As far as Butch goes, I still think he's in the wrong genre of music. DMB has way more funk without him. I like DMB because of the kick in their songs, and I feel Butch takes that away - excellent musician or not. But that is just personal taste...you can't say that Boyd isnt out of tune a little too often considering this is what he does for a living.

Edit: I do not claim to be an expert musician, or even a musician for that matter. I play guitar. I dont know theory. I couldnt come close to playing like Boyd personally. But I can tell when someone is out of tune. Especially that out of tune.

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Wed Apr 02, 2003 6:01 pm

yeah, olkskool, like mb, i don't mean to be a jerk, but there is simply no denying that boyd plays out of tune. and quite honestly, i'd be more than willing to wager a bet that i am a more "accomplished" musician than dave in terms of theory stuff, and there's no reason why i or anyone else on these boards can't have a better ear than matthews...

DmbFanJason · Unread post by **DmbFanJason** » Thu Apr 03, 2003 12:02 am

I dont know...but when I saw DMB live, I didnt notice a thing about boyd being out of tune....so maybe dave cant either because everything is so loud at the show??? but honestly....listen to an ants marching live, where boyd does his thing at the beginning....he friggin ruins it....I dont even like listening to non-official DMB releases....just dave and tim non-official releases really....boyds fuckin cool, but he needs to get his ass in tune with the rest of the band because it throws it off..............I never noticed boyd out-of-tuneness since this board, I dont know why...but god damn, it's worse than ever now...

bela is good with dmb too......but I like timmy....he fuckin rules...i think that timmy is better the bela though, and wooten...and especially anastasio....i really dont see what people see in that guy...timmy just adds to the divineness of DMB...

Pickles · Unread post by **Pickles** » Thu Apr 03, 2003 10:46 am

tim owns

zachpratt · Unread post by **zachpratt** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:21 am

Everybody just imagine for second if there was no DMB. Every musician has his off days. Especially at a place like Woodstock. The instrumentation in the band is the best ever conceived, with the 5 best damn musicians out there. Nobody could replace any of them. Their beat is so together, not because of one genius in particualr, but because this band functions as a complete unit. I am just glad their music exists and is still being created, because without music would basically suck for a large part. Just my opinion.

And on a further thought, maybe if they played each song the same way every time, they would always be perfect. But playing a fretless instrument on stage under your chin (sometimes) in front of 30,000 fans can't be the easiest thing in the world to do. I think we should all look at DMB as an integral talent instead of trying to find the weakest link. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link, so if Boyd is the weakest, then he is pretty damn strong, because that chain sounds better than I can describe!

Oh and Wooten is the god of bass. go pick up a bela fleck and the flecktones album. i bet you can't see his thumb.

DreaminBassMunky · Unread post by **DreaminBassMunky** » Wed May 14, 2003 2:28 pm

olkskoolpik wrote:i have a few problems with people talking about how out of tune boyd always is. basically you are saying you are a more accomplished musician, and you have a better ear for pitch than dave matthews. do you really think that if boyd was constantly out of tune and dragging down the band that dave, or anyone else would allow it to go on. there is no way that boyd comprimises the DMB whatsoever, and maybe all of you expert musicians should call dave and tell him that someone in his band is out of tune and dragging down the band. as for butch, i will agree that he may not be the best fit for DMB but that is only because hes not what youre expecting to hear at the concerts, just because he adds a different element to the band definately doesnt make it bad or wrong, its just different, think of all the great bands that have used piano in their live shows, pink floyd, the stones, the eagles, lynyrd skynyrd, the beatles, im not saying DMB is trying to emulate any of these bands, but i am saying that there were probably fans who didnt appreciate these bands having piano players either, but thats why theyre the musicians and were the fans, so they can do what works for them, and we can sit back and tell ourselves that we could do it better.

woah hold on. No one is saying they are better. Just even you have to admit Boyd is constantly out of tune these days. His energy level on a lot of songs are down. Everyone around these boards are so damn uptight about people giving their own opinions.

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