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sticksANDstrings · Unread post by **sticksANDstrings** » Sat Oct 04, 2003 4:48 pm

Well, well, well...I just got back from Sam Ash Music that took me TWO FRIGGIN HOURS TO GET TO!!!! %$@#$%&.....well, anyways...I played a D-28, HD-28, and a D-35...I almost spewed in my denim...I am totally convinced now that Martin kicks the shit outta Taylor's as far as tone is concerned. The D-35 pretty much beat the D-28 hands down and I didn't like the balance of the HD-28. Now I guess the only decision I have to make is between the D-35 and the HD-35. My question is, do you guys (and by "you guys" I mean people that have actually played both) think that the HD-35 is worth the extra dough? I had a hard time putting the D-35 down...I can't get over its full, bassy sound. Do you guys think that the lighter, scalloped bracing and the herringbone inlays are worth the extra $400? Is the sound that much better?

Ranting Thespian · Unread post by **Ranting Thespian** » Sun Oct 05, 2003 1:50 am

I actualy noticed the ballance of the D-28 and I liked it. But, if you were going to choose between HD and D for the 35, I would go for the HD. If you like that sound, then it is worth it. So, I say go for the HD-35. There is a significant difference in sound, and you seemed to be wanting what the HD has to offer. So HD-35.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:21 am

i still say alvarez, martins and taylors are ripoffs

DMBFan63 · Unread post by **DMBFan63** » Sun Oct 05, 2003 11:26 am

I say HD-35 as well..they have a brighter tone, which personally i like.. so it is really up to you

phatnev · Unread post by **phatnev** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 10:17 pm

Fatjack is right, play some nice Alvarez's and you wont be shelling out 1800 for a Martin ever again

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Ranting Thespian · Unread post by **Ranting Thespian** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 4:38 am

fatjack wrote:i still say alvarez, martins and taylors are ripoffs

I hihgly disagree. I am not huge on alvarez. I think Martins and Taylors are gods above Alvarezs. I have played a bunch of guitars from all 3 companies, and nothing compares to a great Martin or a great Taylor.

hd28v · Unread post by **hd28v** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:58 am

i still say alvarez, martins and taylors are ripoffs

I am not trying to be rude here but Fatjack, you need to be more specfic as to why you think Alvarez are better than Martins and Taylors. Far to often do you reply to someone's post by typing a mere 5-10 words. I think you would better serve this community by describing your opinions more in detail. For example, why do you think Martins and Taylors are ripoffs? I dont know a thing about Alvarez guitars so I will not comment on them. But I will comment about Martins all day long. As for Martins being a ripoff, keep in mind that Martin has been making guitars since 1833. They have been run by the Martin family since day 1. Martin guitars barely depreciate in value. Lifetime warranty. Will sound better each and every year played for the life of the instrument due to aging. And my guess is that if this is sticksANDstrings first major guitar purchase, it will be with him for the rest of his life and possbily to pass do to his kids if he so chooses. You may think it is a ripoff which is fine but I think of it as value.

As for the orginal post, I think the HD-35 will give you more of a punch in sound. IF possible bring a friend with you to the store and have them play it and you sit in front of the guitar. It will help you decide for yourself which sounds better. Both are great instruments so you cant go wrong. If you think the sound is similar then I would decide which cosmetics you like better. For example which pickguard do you like better and so one. Good luck.

Pickles · Unread post by **Pickles** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 9:36 am

Fatjack likes Alvarez because they can produce a great sound for not so much money. Now, that wont stand up to a Taylor or Martin, but its far less expensive.

And by the way, i dont care how long Martin has been running, they are waaaay too expensive for the product they sell.

And also - almost all guitars depreciate in value - Martins included.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:07 am

hd28v wrote:
i still say alvarez, martins and taylors are ripoffs
I am not trying to be rude here but Fatjack, you need to be more specfic as to why you think Alvarez are better than Martins and Taylors. Far to often do you reply to someone's post by typing a mere 5-10 words. I think you would better serve this community by describing your opinions more in detail. For example, why do you think Martins and Taylors are ripoffs? I dont know a thing about Alvarez guitars so I will not comment on them. But I will comment about Martins all day long. As for Martins being a ripoff, keep in mind that Martin has been making guitars since 1833. They have been run by the Martin family since day 1. Martin guitars barely depreciate in value. Lifetime warranty. Will sound better each and every year played for the life of the instrument due to aging. And my guess is that if this is sticksANDstrings first major guitar purchase, it will be with him for the rest of his life and possbily to pass do to his kids if he so chooses. You may think it is a ripoff which is fine but I think of it as value.

shane summed it up pretty nicely, alvarezs are in my opinion better sounding than martins. just because martins have been made for over 150 years doesn't make them any good. IMO, they are just mantle pieces, especially the HD-35. I've played several martins and i've never liked how any of them have played

and NO piece of wood should cost 1800 bucks

hd28v · Unread post by **hd28v** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:20 am

and NO piece of wood should cost 1800 bucks

I guess it is safe to say that Alvarez and Martins market to different clientel. However, there are a handful of high end Alvarez guitars that cost over 1800 in an attempt to win over a new market and vs versa with Martin making lower end guitars now.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:24 am

hd28v wrote:
and NO piece of wood should cost 1800 bucks
I guess it is safe to say that Alvarez and Martins market to different clientel. However, there are a handful of high end Alvarez guitars that cost over 1800 in an attempt to win over a new market and vs versa with Martin making lower end guitars now.

even if its an alvarez, im not spending that much money.

Ranting Thespian · Unread post by **Ranting Thespian** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 1:45 am

I think a Martin is priced right. They are that expensive because that they take so great care on making them. They don't just churn them out. They take great care on them. How long does an Alvarez factory take to make one of their guitars? I have played Alvarezes, and I would not say anyone of them stands up to a Martin or a Taylor. They are good guitars, but the Alvarez guitars do not stand up to a Martin D-28 anyday.

Pickles · Unread post by **Pickles** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 9:01 am

Ranting Thespian wrote:I think a Martin is priced right. They are that expensive because that they take so great care on making them. They don't just churn them out. They take great care on them. How long does an Alvarez factory take to make one of their guitars? I have played Alvarezes, and I would not say anyone of them stands up to a Martin or a Taylor. They are good guitars, but the Alvarez guitars do not stand up to a Martin D-28 anyday.

thats because Alvarez's arent meant to stand up to Taylors and Martins and other high end guitars. theyre priced for the lower end for people who want a nice guitar for cheap.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 11:18 am

shane wrote:
Ranting Thespian wrote:I think a Martin is priced right. They are that expensive because that they take so great care on making them. They don't just churn them out. They take great care on them. How long does an Alvarez factory take to make one of their guitars? I have played Alvarezes, and I would not say anyone of them stands up to a Martin or a Taylor. They are good guitars, but the Alvarez guitars do not stand up to a Martin D-28 anyday.
thats because Alvarez's arent meant to stand up to Taylors and Martins and other high end guitars. theyre priced for the lower end for people who want a nice guitar for cheap.

EXACTLY

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