Martin/Taylor...best analogy EVER...BMW/Mercedes

[Roastbeef]

and lets not neglect the broken tailgate, manual EVERYTHING, and a signaler that won't stay in place...

Hey! Be happy the thing still runs. My '88 Ranger died like 9 years ago. What a POS that thing was. 2.0 Liter/4 cylinder with a carburetor!

[MattyTrane]

and lets not neglect the broken tailgate, manual EVERYTHING, and a signaler that won't stay in place...

Hey! Be happy the thing still runs. My '88 Ranger died like 9 years ago. What a POS that thing was. 2.0 Liter/4 cylinder with a carburetor!

carburetor? dont all cars have one of those?

[Roastbeef]

carburetor? dont all cars have one of those?

Most cars post-1983 are equipped with fuel-injection; a much more efficient (read: more horsepower) way of delivering a fuel/air mixture to the engine.

[MattyTrane]

carburetor? dont all cars have one of those?

Most cars post-1983 are equipped with fuel-injection; a much more efficient (read: more horsepower) way of delivering a fuel/air mixture to the engine.

yea k..knew that didnt know they replaced that c thing tho

[saleen]

not necissarily (sp?) more hp............ nascar cars still use carburators as well as many drag cars. Fuel injection is more efficent and saves money on gas though. Also fuel injectors are much heavier than a carbureator so that also slows down the car.

[Roastbeef]

not necissarily (sp?) more hp............ nascar cars still use carburators as well as many drag cars. Fuel injection is more efficent and saves money on gas though. Also fuel injectors are much heavier than a carbureator so that also slows down the car.

Yup, you're right. I was speaking more in terms of stock consumer vehicles...

[rin]

geez... you boys and your cars

preach it kanter! i love your analogy

[gravedigger]

I'd take a Martin over a Mercedes anyday.

Give me a Martin HD-35 and I'd walk to work everyday.

[jkanter]

I'd take a Martin over a Mercedes anyday.

Give me a Martin HD-35 and I'd walk to work everyday.

Hey man....welcome back....ha, yeah, but I'd take an M3 over any of those

[QuattroDore]

I just remembered a statement made by a friend of mine in med school down in florida. Since neither of us give a shit about cars, he made the good goal that both of us eventually should have guitars worth more than our automobiles.

[jkanter]

I just remembered a statement made by a friend of mine in med school down in florida. Since neither of us give a shit about cars, he made the good goal that both of us eventually should have guitars worth more than our automobiles.

Going to have to buy a Pre-War Martin for that!

[saleen]

or an alvarez with a 1982 volvo wagon 740 (turbo) with only 3 cylinders and no power steering. That is the car my parents bought when they found out I was going to be born....... it is also the car I drove for my driver test when I was 16....... thankfully I have moved on to bigger and better things that can actually go up hills.

[514ce]

Mercedes makes cars with 5 speed trannies..you just dont see them that often...Taylor vs Martin...doesnt matter at all which guitar ya have...its what you can do with it that matters!

[cgalves]

DAMNIT, a whole thread devoted to M5's and I didnt notice?? WHAT THE FUCK!


Anyways, I, like JKanter, love BMW's. I do however, feel as if the latter 3 and 5 series arent nearly as driver oriented as those of the early 90's, but they are truly unparalleled driving machines. I do feel, however, as if the new V-10 M5 in some ways defeats the original purpose of the car. The M Motorsport division was originally founded for BMW's racing, and they then started producing superordinary cars for "ordinary" people. The original M535i of the 80's was the quintissential Q car, meaning fast car in disguise. BMW did this extraordinary car out of a 6 naturally aspirated 6 cylinder no less, and had around 280 hp. The new M5, although it is made out of an aluminum space frame, has a huge V-10 which according to numerous sources will make the large Bimmer understear like woah in the handling department. The current BMW, although a little outdated, is still perfectly fine. A little more hp and a little less weight would put it on top again. And honestly, I deem it a little unnecessary for such a big engine in such a perfect car already. And on the BMW / Mercedes analogy, I view BMW as superior in every aspect. Although not as close rivals as they seem (Bmw's biggest rival, since Day 1, believe it or not, is actually Porsche (see M3 vs. 911), Mercedes have never been performance oriented automobiles. Their recipe for success consists of stuffing a huge supercharged engine into an antiquated chassis and slapping on numerous comfort amenities and a DVD screen. BMW is expert tuners, have never resorted to the use of forced air induction, and have always extracted every last hp out of every last cubic inch of engine. And then the amazing handling department. Enough said.

Newer BMW's sadly enough disappoint me in the technology department, especially the new I'drive in the 745. Although it is intuitive and may very well be the "wave of the future" it is awkwardly clumsy and difficult to navigate. In order to change radio stations to a station not in memory, it requires something ridiculous like 7 different commands! But regardless, these are amazing automobiles. I will not own the new or newer M5 anytime soon though ... my first M car will either be an 87 DINAN M5 or '93 Dinan M5. I once detailed an 87 Dinan M5 with a claimed 400hp and over 400,000 miles on the odometer and it was still running strong .... the cosmetics of course were shot. The owner was going to turn it into a race car when it passed 500,000 miles. Those engines are truly bulletproof. Good god I think I just made a mess talking about the Dinan. And speaking of ridiculousness, Alpina modified the E34 M5 and put twin turbochargers .. the result is the ALpina E34 Biturbo and a top speed of 183 (thanks to the rev limiter).

Haha, and as for what I drive, my first car was a 93 Nis 240sx that was sadly totaled at the hands of my sister. I now drive a Scirocco 16v aka 944 beater 8) haha. Very very soon though ... upon graduation at UNC I will soon own an M5. Soon ...


BMW > Mercedes.

[cgalves]

Oh, and quite frankly, Mercedes does not put manuals in their higher end models for a very good reason. People who buy those Mercedes, such as the E55AMG are NOT interested in getting the car in stick shift. Well, by "NOT", i mean an overwhelmingly large percentage of people want it in automatic, such that producing a stick shift version would invariably make Mercedes actually lose profit due to little demand. And this is what I mean by Mercedes and BMW being in different niches ... Mercedes are bought for class conscious people, whilst BMW are bought (most of the time) for driving purposes. What this has to do with Taylor / Martins, I have no idea ( i am a new guitar player hehe), but still, I digress, Mercedes sucks.

Another reason why M is so appealing: For a BMW to be an "M", it must fulfill 2 requirements.

It must have a powerful, high revving engine, and it must be a MANUAL!