guitar tonation problem

[T714]

part of me doesnt like T714 because i no longer have anything to contribute to these technical threads... wah im superfluous

is that knock or a compliment to me?

compliment... fag

gotcha...i spent two summers at a "luthiery" type of school with the hopes of building guitars, so i had to know a lot of things regarding setup, not to mention bindings/channeling, kerfling, bracing, bridge plates, truss rods, tone woods, inlays, glues, purfling, nuts, saddles, string spacings, string heights, calculations, tuners, bushings, headplates, overlays, and of course, the history of the Martin guitar.

everything you learned in those 2 summers i have learned by reading EVERYTHING i can find on the world wide web. i have aspirations of building my own acoustic someday

that's cool, but doing is a lot different from reading...

try laying down a forward shifted X brace 1" below the soundhole at 5 am.

i understand that doing is alot different... i want to "do" so fucking bad its not even funny

go and do it then...check out if there are any luthiers in your area that offer an "apprentice" type learning environment. Or, check out an issue of Acoustic Guitar magazine. Lots of luthiery schools in last few pages of the magazine.

if you have a beater guitar, that will help out as well. playing with the truss rod, adjusting the action, working with electronics. it comes in handy.

i did a small east coast tour with Collective Soul last year. i adjusted all the guitars in my band and did setups from the comforts of the backseat of the ye ole van. in one instance, my bass player's input signal was messed up and the jack was loose. we stopped off at some el-cheapo electronics store and i soldered the wired right there at the counter. when his nut on his bass was binding, i used a quick little trick i learned at luthiery school...actually, a quick cob-job to say the least...i dropped in some superglue, and worked the nut slut with an emory board and the graphite from a pencil. pretty amusing.

i have looked into it. philadelphia and the surrounding area is a dead zone for luthery. the closest place is nazareth, and i think you probably know whats there

that sux. but there are a lot of good luthiers in PA. dave musselwhite (in Easton PA???) is world reknown. he was former head of the martin repair dept if i'm not mistaken.

[mangold]

part of me doesnt like T714 because i no longer have anything to contribute to these technical threads... wah im superfluous

is that knock or a compliment to me?

compliment... fag

gotcha...i spent two summers at a "luthiery" type of school with the hopes of building guitars, so i had to know a lot of things regarding setup, not to mention bindings/channeling, kerfling, bracing, bridge plates, truss rods, tone woods, inlays, glues, purfling, nuts, saddles, string spacings, string heights, calculations, tuners, bushings, headplates, overlays, and of course, the history of the Martin guitar.

everything you learned in those 2 summers i have learned by reading EVERYTHING i can find on the world wide web. i have aspirations of building my own acoustic someday

that's cool, but doing is a lot different from reading...

try laying down a forward shifted X brace 1" below the soundhole at 5 am.

i understand that doing is alot different... i want to "do" so fucking bad its not even funny

go and do it then...check out if there are any luthiers in your area that offer an "apprentice" type learning environment. Or, check out an issue of Acoustic Guitar magazine. Lots of luthiery schools in last few pages of the magazine.

if you have a beater guitar, that will help out as well. playing with the truss rod, adjusting the action, working with electronics. it comes in handy.

i did a small east coast tour with Collective Soul last year. i adjusted all the guitars in my band and did setups from the comforts of the backseat of the ye ole van. in one instance, my bass player's input signal was messed up and the jack was loose. we stopped off at some el-cheapo electronics store and i soldered the wired right there at the counter. when his nut on his bass was binding, i used a quick little trick i learned at luthiery school...actually, a quick cob-job to say the least...i dropped in some superglue, and worked the nut slut with an emory board and the graphite from a pencil. pretty amusing.

i have looked into it. philadelphia and the surrounding area is a dead zone for luthery. the closest place is nazareth, and i think you probably know whats there

that sux. but there are a lot of good luthiers in PA. dave musselwhite (in Easton PA???) is world reknown. he was former head of the martin repair dept if i'm not mistaken.

Yeh i actually almost did something with him, but easton is a solid 2 hour drive for me, (its right near nazareth)

[T714]

[quote="praisedave"]part of me doesnt like T714 because i no longer have anything to contribute to these technical threads... wah im superfluous

is that knock or a compliment to me?

compliment... fag

gotcha...i spent two summers at a "luthiery" type of school with the hopes of building guitars, so i had to know a lot of things regarding setup, not to mention bindings/channeling, kerfling, bracing, bridge plates, truss rods, tone woods, inlays, glues, purfling, nuts, saddles, string spacings, string heights, calculations, tuners, bushings, headplates, overlays, and of course, the history of the Martin guitar.

everything you learned in those 2 summers i have learned by reading EVERYTHING i can find on the world wide web. i have aspirations of building my own acoustic someday

that's cool, but doing is a lot different from reading...

try laying down a forward shifted X brace 1" below the soundhole at 5 am.

i understand that doing is alot different... i want to "do" so fucking bad its not even funny

go and do it then...check out if there are any luthiers in your area that offer an "apprentice" type learning environment. Or, check out an issue of Acoustic Guitar magazine. Lots of luthiery schools in last few pages of the magazine.

if you have a beater guitar, that will help out as well. playing with the truss rod, adjusting the action, working with electronics. it comes in handy.

i did a small east coast tour with Collective Soul last year. i adjusted all the guitars in my band and did setups from the comforts of the backseat of the ye ole van. in one instance, my bass player's input signal was messed up and the jack was loose. we stopped off at some el-cheapo electronics store and i soldered the wired right there at the counter. when his nut on his bass was binding, i used a quick little trick i learned at luthiery school...actually, a quick cob-job to say the least...i dropped in some superglue, and worked the nut slut with an emory board and the graphite from a pencil. pretty amusing.

i have looked into it. philadelphia and the surrounding area is a dead zone for luthery. the closest place is nazareth, and i think you probably know whats there

that sux. but there are a lot of good luthiers in PA. dave musselwhite (in Easton PA???) is world reknown. he was former head of the martin repair dept if i'm not mistaken.

Yeh i actually almost did something with him, but easton is a solid 2 hour drive for me, (its right near nazareth)[/quote]

2 hours? that's nothing. grab a pack of smokes and good version of "Stash" and you're all set.

[sunglassesatnight]

You two should quote each other again in yet another thread.

[T714]

You two should quote each other again in yet another thread.

what is it with this forum and people spouting off so much?

if don't like the conversation, keep your mouth shut and move on.

i'm helping (at least I think I am) a fellow forum member. don't like? go somewhere else.

[mangold]

[quote="T714"][quote="praisedave"]part of me doesnt like T714 because i no longer have anything to contribute to these technical threads... wah im superfluous

is that knock or a compliment to me?

compliment... fag

gotcha...i spent two summers at a "luthiery" type of school with the hopes of building guitars, so i had to know a lot of things regarding setup, not to mention bindings/channeling, kerfling, bracing, bridge plates, truss rods, tone woods, inlays, glues, purfling, nuts, saddles, string spacings, string heights, calculations, tuners, bushings, headplates, overlays, and of course, the history of the Martin guitar.

everything you learned in those 2 summers i have learned by reading EVERYTHING i can find on the world wide web. i have aspirations of building my own acoustic someday

that's cool, but doing is a lot different from reading...

try laying down a forward shifted X brace 1" below the soundhole at 5 am.

i understand that doing is alot different... i want to "do" so fucking bad its not even funny

go and do it then...check out if there are any luthiers in your area that offer an "apprentice" type learning environment. Or, check out an issue of Acoustic Guitar magazine. Lots of luthiery schools in last few pages of the magazine.

if you have a beater guitar, that will help out as well. playing with the truss rod, adjusting the action, working with electronics. it comes in handy.

i did a small east coast tour with Collective Soul last year. i adjusted all the guitars in my band and did setups from the comforts of the backseat of the ye ole van. in one instance, my bass player's input signal was messed up and the jack was loose. we stopped off at some el-cheapo electronics store and i soldered the wired right there at the counter. when his nut on his bass was binding, i used a quick little trick i learned at luthiery school...actually, a quick cob-job to say the least...i dropped in some superglue, and worked the nut slut with an emory board and the graphite from a pencil. pretty amusing.

i have looked into it. philadelphia and the surrounding area is a dead zone for luthery. the closest place is nazareth, and i think you probably know whats there

that sux. but there are a lot of good luthiers in PA. dave musselwhite (in Easton PA???) is world reknown. he was former head of the martin repair dept if i'm not mistaken.

Yeh i actually almost did something with him, but easton is a solid 2 hour drive for me, (its right near nazareth)[/quote]

2 hours? that's nothing. grab a pack of smokes and good version of "Stash" and you're all set.[/quote]
2 hours is a little lofty for a daily commute for an unpaid apprenticeship, especially with gas prices.

[mangold]

[quote="praisedave"][quote="T714"][quote="praisedave"]part of me doesnt like T714 because i no longer have anything to contribute to these technical threads... wah im superfluous

is that knock or a compliment to me?

compliment... fag

gotcha...i spent two summers at a "luthiery" type of school with the hopes of building guitars, so i had to know a lot of things regarding setup, not to mention bindings/channeling, kerfling, bracing, bridge plates, truss rods, tone woods, inlays, glues, purfling, nuts, saddles, string spacings, string heights, calculations, tuners, bushings, headplates, overlays, and of course, the history of the Martin guitar.

everything you learned in those 2 summers i have learned by reading EVERYTHING i can find on the world wide web. i have aspirations of building my own acoustic someday

that's cool, but doing is a lot different from reading...

try laying down a forward shifted X brace 1" below the soundhole at 5 am.

i understand that doing is alot different... i want to "do" so fucking bad its not even funny

go and do it then...check out if there are any luthiers in your area that offer an "apprentice" type learning environment. Or, check out an issue of Acoustic Guitar magazine. Lots of luthiery schools in last few pages of the magazine.

if you have a beater guitar, that will help out as well. playing with the truss rod, adjusting the action, working with electronics. it comes in handy.

i did a small east coast tour with Collective Soul last year. i adjusted all the guitars in my band and did setups from the comforts of the backseat of the ye ole van. in one instance, my bass player's input signal was messed up and the jack was loose. we stopped off at some el-cheapo electronics store and i soldered the wired right there at the counter. when his nut on his bass was binding, i used a quick little trick i learned at luthiery school...actually, a quick cob-job to say the least...i dropped in some superglue, and worked the nut slut with an emory board and the graphite from a pencil. pretty amusing.

i have looked into it. philadelphia and the surrounding area is a dead zone for luthery. the closest place is nazareth, and i think you probably know whats there

that sux. but there are a lot of good luthiers in PA. dave musselwhite (in Easton PA???) is world reknown. he was former head of the martin repair dept if i'm not mistaken.

Yeh i actually almost did something with him, but easton is a solid 2 hour drive for me, (its right near nazareth)[/quote]

2 hours? that's nothing. grab a pack of smokes and good version of "Stash" and you're all set.[/quote]
2 hours is a little lofty for a daily commute for an unpaid apprenticeship, especially with gas prices.[/quote]
BY THE WAY the only reason i requoted this is to make slimers head explode.

[sunglassesatnight]

You two should quote each other again in yet another thread.

what is it with this forum and people spouting off so much?

if don't like the conversation, keep your mouth shut and move on.

i'm helping (at least I think I am) a fellow forum member. don't like? go somewhere else.

Oh, I'm so sorry I offended such a wonderful, flawless, helpful, all-knowing person with my BLATANT JOKE.

[busted7970]

Thanks so much for all the replies. Havnt been here in a while. Anyway its right on if i do the harmonic. But If i press down on the 12th fret normal some strings on the tuner say they are flat. Or am i supposed to just tune to the harmonic on the 12th fret. Anyway guys thanks so much.

[mangold]

Thanks so much for all the replies. Havnt been here in a while. Anyway its right on if i do the harmonic. But If i press down on the 12th fret normal some strings on the tuner say they are flat. Or am i supposed to just tune to the harmonic on the 12th fret. Anyway guys thanks so much.

your 12th harmonic should match your 12th fretted, you def have a intonation problem, take it to a pro and they'll give you a compensated bridge probably, unless you're way off.

[T714]

Thanks so much for all the replies. Havnt been here in a while. Anyway its right on if i do the harmonic. But If i press down on the 12th fret normal some strings on the tuner say they are flat. Or am i supposed to just tune to the harmonic on the 12th fret. Anyway guys thanks so much.

your 12th harmonic should match your 12th fretted, you def have a intonation problem, take it to a pro and they'll give you a compensated bridge probably, unless you're way off.

it's more accurate to check the 12th fret harmonic against the open string. For example, if your tuner says your low E is in tune plucked open, THEN play your 12th fret harmonic to see how many "cents" it is off. If the tuner says you are sharp, your compensator must be moved back. If the tuner says you are flat, your compensator must be moved forward. Moving the compensator changes the scale length, so to speak, relative to that string. In theory, you don't even need to have the string in tune to check the intonation with the harmonic, but it's just an easier point of reference.

As praisedave indicates, take it to a qualified luthier. You'll need a compensated saddle (not a compensated bridge as praisedave mentioned). A compensated saddle (or "serpentine saddle") will adjust the compensator forward and backward for each string. There are some great articles over at http://www.frets.com or http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com as other places of reference.

[mangold]

the saddle bone is connected to the bridge bone

[T714]

the saddle bone is connected to the bridge bone

I'm also convinced you smoke crack, so put that in your signature as well.

[mangold]

the saddle bone is connected to the bridge bone

I'm also convinced you smoke crack, so put that in your signature as well.

really? i must come off different online then, because in reality im a straigtedge pussy, i dont do anything.

(thats "high on life" that you are seeing in my posts)

[Kahn]

just rub the fretboard with steel wool. It will solve your problem. Scrub hard. Use paint thinner for lubrication.