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Unread post by Brock » Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:45 am

catho wrote:Why would you think (because thats all that we do here, no matter if you think otherwise we are all just guessing here) that they use "more" inferior parts than a 100 dollar mixer?
Actually, some of us have been using sound equipment, recording, and running live sound on mixers worth more than your house while taking classes for it for many years. We're not "all guessing here". You may be, and thanks for admitting it.
catho wrote:Brock, I did mention a micpreamp earlier in this thread, but I would suggest against it. First of all, its not cheaper really. What you do is that you trade away inputs and connectivity for a tube, which might be great for people. But the tube wont make recordings sound good on its own, so it wont make a difference and will still need a good "engineer" adding plugins etc. Therefore the extra inputs and stereo RCA outs and ins are probably more benefitting than an Tele/XLR out that runs through a tube.
Of course it's not cheaper. That's because it's a better product. Since the OP made it clear in his initial post that his ONLY reason for buying the mixer was that he received a condenser mic as a gift and needed the mixer to provide phantom-power, afterwhich he would plug it into his Audigy 2. A preamp would most definitely improve the quality of the recordings, sorry.
catho wrote:Plus, I'm yet to find a micpreamp with two or more inputs (if I could find it I would get it myself :wink: ) and I'm guessing that a guitar and a singer is what we are discussing here in this thread, so eventually a extra mic will need an input.
Audigy 2's have more than one input...
catho wrote:Musiciansfriend 72 reviews 8.83 overall rating

WTF? Working during the morning gives me too much time to waste on writing asslong posts! :lol: Hope its comprehendable.
Let's think through that one for a second. Say someone who actually knows something about sound purchases one of these, uses it for 3 days, and realizes how low in quality they actually are. Musicians' Friend, accordingly, receives a very negative review.

Do you think they're going to post it?

Of course not. It might lose them a sale. Musicians Friend is, above and far before anything else, a retail merchant, and their only objective is to increase their profits. If you'll browse around the MF "reviews" for a few minutes, you'll see that 8.83 is actually very low on the MF "scale".
catho wrote:The idea of preamps is to adjust the level to the input, but OK, nevermind because I might be wrong and dont want to trap myself into a corner. :wink:
No, that's not the purpose of preamps - again, sorry.
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Unread post by catho » Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:43 am

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catho wrote:Why would you think (because thats all that we do here, no matter if you think otherwise we are all just guessing here) that they use "more" inferior parts than a 100 dollar mixer?
Actually, some of us have been using sound equipment, recording, and running live sound on mixers worth more than your house while taking classes for it for many years. We're not "all guessing here". You may be, and thanks for admitting it.
catho wrote:Brock, I did mention a micpreamp earlier in this thread, but I would suggest against it. First of all, its not cheaper really. What you do is that you trade away inputs and connectivity for a tube, which might be great for people. But the tube wont make recordings sound good on its own, so it wont make a difference and will still need a good "engineer" adding plugins etc. Therefore the extra inputs and stereo RCA outs and ins are probably more benefitting than an Tele/XLR out that runs through a tube.
Of course it's not cheaper. That's because it's a better product. Since the OP made it clear in his initial post that his ONLY reason for buying the mixer was that he received a condenser mic as a gift and needed the mixer to provide phantom-power, afterwhich he would plug it into his Audigy 2. A preamp would most definitely improve the quality of the recordings, sorry.
catho wrote:Plus, I'm yet to find a micpreamp with two or more inputs (if I could find it I would get it myself :wink: ) and I'm guessing that a guitar and a singer is what we are discussing here in this thread, so eventually a extra mic will need an input.
Audigy 2's have more than one input...
catho wrote:Musiciansfriend 72 reviews 8.83 overall rating

WTF? Working during the morning gives me too much time to waste on writing asslong posts! :lol: Hope its comprehendable.
Let's think through that one for a second. Say someone who actually knows something about sound purchases one of these, uses it for 3 days, and realizes how low in quality they actually are. Musicians' Friend, accordingly, receives a very negative review.

Do you think they're going to post it?

Of course not. It might lose them a sale. Musicians Friend is, above and far before anything else, a retail merchant, and their only objective is to increase their profits. If you'll browse around the MF "reviews" for a few minutes, you'll see that 8.83 is actually very low on the MF "scale".
catho wrote:The idea of preamps is to adjust the level to the input, but OK, nevermind because I might be wrong and dont want to trap myself into a corner. :wink:
No, that's not the purpose of preamps - again, sorry.
All in all, I surrender myself and consider myself a fried fish, however, one thing, what is the purpose of preamps, if not to buff the input signal?
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Unread post by catho » Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:52 am

"The job of the preamp is to amplify a low level signal, perhaps from a microphone or pickup."

Looked it up, don't know whats wrong with what I said. Let me go out on a limb here, we're not mixing up impedance converters and signal boosters? Because I do that sometimes, heh..

While we're at it, I'd love to hear some about what you've been doing in the recording world, Brock, if that's not too much to ask? It would be cool to hear how it can work out for people, I've always thought that you were a computer engineer (due to all the Intel this and AMD that ;) )

EDIT: Oh boy, I can't wait for Fatjack&Co to see me getting burned and commenting about my idiocy. :roll:

EDIT: While its partially on topic: You haven't seen a DI with two mono tele inputs and one balanced XLR out for the house and one unbalanced tele output for my amp? It should be an obvious product available everywhere but everysingle DI (or preamp for that matter) only got one input.. I'm not that picky with the XLR out (I can do with a tele) but it has to be a small casing because I'm gonna use it on my pedalboard.

Right now I'm looking at 4 channel mixers with one output, which sort of sucks. The application would be following, I use two chains of pedals, one for my voice and one for my guitar, they both run into seperate inputs on a looper pedal, but in order for me to be able to loop the guitar while singing I have to run the voice chain into an AB box so I can switch it out, but then in order for my singing to be heard it has to run into the PA as well, so rather than having two cables into the PA I'm looking for some sort of blend thingie that can take both the output from the looper and the output from the AB and mix the signals (no pots needed actually, I can mix before it hit the "thingie") and it would be nifty if it could double as a DI or preamp, either just so I can save space. Any ideas? :?
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Unread post by whatshername » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:04 pm

i wasn't attempting to "back my friend up". i just think you're the most annoying noob dmbtabs has had in a while. you're new here and you come off as if you've been here for ten years...acting like your shit doesn't stink. and in no way am i saying you need to "work your way up the ladder". actually..yes i am. you show no respect for anyone.
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Unread post by catho » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:11 pm

fortyoneantz wrote:i wasn't attempting to "back my friend up". i just think you're the most annoying noob dmbtabs has had in a while. you're new here and you come off as if you've been here for ten years...acting like your shit doesn't stink. and in no way am i saying you need to "work your way up the ladder". actually..yes i am. you show no respect for anyone.
Might be because there's pretty much only one person here that I think deserves respect.
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Unread post by whatshername » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:13 pm

That's nice...but we don't value your opinion here anymore. And yes, I think I can pretty much speak for everyone.
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Unread post by catho » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:15 pm

fortyoneantz wrote:That's nice...but we don't value your opinion here anymore. And yes, I think I can pretty much speak for everyone.
Indifferent, really.
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Unread post by Kahn » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:36 pm

fortyoneantz wrote:i wasn't attempting to "back my friend up". i just think you're the most annoying noob dmbtabs has had in a while. you're new here and you come off as if you've been here for ten years...acting like your shit doesn't stink. and in no way am i saying you need to "work your way up the ladder". actually..yes i am. you show no respect for anyone.
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Unread post by catho » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:52 pm

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fortyoneantz wrote:i wasn't attempting to "back my friend up". i just think you're the most annoying noob dmbtabs has had in a while. you're new here and you come off as if you've been here for ten years...acting like your shit doesn't stink. and in no way am i saying you need to "work your way up the ladder". actually..yes i am. you show no respect for anyone.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh and Catho, you suck the big one.
Yeah yeah, don't trail off too much please.
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Unread post by mattinbeloit » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:59 pm

well i ended up buying the behringer and you guys are going to love this. I found out that Behringer buys all it's materials and parts from the same place mackie does, it's preatty much an exact copy of the mackie and that's one of the reson's they are sueing behringer because they are EXACTLY the same except behringer uses cheaper labor most likly. I plugged in the behringer and a mackie and i could tell no difference between them, only that the Behringer is $50 less... ANyway, thanks for the input everyone,at least this thread gave me enough sence to compare 2 different ones and make a decision.

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Unread post by Kahn » Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:59 pm

thats good to know

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Unread post by Brock » Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:08 pm

mattinbeloit wrote:well i ended up buying the behringer and you guys are going to love this. I found out that Behringer buys all it's materials and parts from the same place mackie does, it's preatty much an exact copy of the mackie and that's one of the reson's they are sueing behringer because they are EXACTLY the same except behringer uses cheaper labor most likly. I plugged in the behringer and a mackie and i could tell no difference between them, only that the Behringer is $50 less... ANyway, thanks for the input everyone,at least this thread gave me enough sence to compare 2 different ones and make a decision.
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Unread post by mattinbeloit » Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:49 pm

Ya im sure i could of gone with the $1000 one... The thing is i'm not producing CD's or anything im recording my stuff and it's sounds good. I'm on a budget and i got what i wanted so i'm happy. I'm not calling you guys assholes or aything im just saying i got what i wanted with my budget and i'm happy. You can always do better but i did great in the parameters i had. Behringer is good for me :D !

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Unread post by mangold » Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:59 pm

congrats mattin
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Unread post by a1075dd63aa12 » Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:29 pm

fortyoneantz wrote:That's nice...but we don't value your opinion here anymore. And yes, I think I can pretty much speak for everyone.
:thumbsup: i concur

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