My Double Bass Recording!

[MahlerGrooves]

the digital needle one will be good enough. You wont get the FULL effect, but it should be enough to make your head turn a bit. (it is because the b will be slightly sharp for your taste because the major third should be flat a bit.

[thejoe]

sweet.. i'll give it a try

[BenPezzner]

To compensate for this, the piano tuners need to make up the difference (an extra 0.375hz) for an octave to be in tune. To do this, they increase the distance of the fifth, and, to balance this out slightly, flatten the major third (don't ask me how).

I know how (I used to tune pianos before I came to college). All you have to know is what a beat is, and then you tune by listening for beats. A beat is a natural occurence when you have two sine waves that are really close in frequency, but just a little bit off. When the crests are right on top of each other, they double the intensity of the sound, and when they are off by 90 degrees, they completely cancel out. This cycle of doubling and canceling out creates a "beat" and can be heard above the tone of the note. Pilots of turbo-props actually use this method to make sure the two propellars are running at exactly the same speed. They turn one on, then turn the other on, and as the speed of the second one gets closer to the speed of the first, beats start to form. As the two speeds begin to match, the beats slowly get farther and fewer between, until they disappear.

Piano strings are tuned in much the same way, however, the tuner does not make the beats disappear like the pilot, because then that would lead to untempered tuning. (On a side, a piano that is tuned EXACTLY will work in whatever key it was tuned in. However, the second you go to play in another key, that's when all hell breaks loose. Tempering is just a fancy term for the process we use to make it so that all 12 keys on a piano are sound in tune when the same song is played in all of them.) Anyway, back to the tuning. I forget which intervals map to which ratios of beats, but depending on the interval, the tuner will listen for a prescribed ratio, and when the two strings beat to that ratio (for example, 7 beats in 5 seconds for a minor third *I think*) the two notes are considered "tuned," even though they are a little off. That gap of "little off" is absolutely necessary, however, for the piano to work for all 12 keys.

Just FYI... in case anyone decides to go into piano tuning...

[fatjack]

To compensate for this, the piano tuners need to make up the difference (an extra 0.375hz) for an octave to be in tune. To do this, they increase the distance of the fifth, and, to balance this out slightly, flatten the major third (don't ask me how).

I know how (I used to tune pianos before I came to college). All you have to know is what a beat is, and then you tune by listening for beats. A beat is a natural occurence when you have two sine waves that are really close in frequency, but just a little bit off. When the crests are right on top of each other, they double the intensity of the sound, and when they are off by 90 degrees, they completely cancel out. This cycle of doubling and canceling out creates a "beat" and can be heard above the tone of the note. Pilots of turbo-props actually use this method to make sure the two propellars are running at exactly the same speed. They turn one on, then turn the other on, and as the speed of the second one gets closer to the speed of the first, beats start to form. As the two speeds begin to match, the beats slowly get farther and fewer between, until they disappear.

Piano strings are tuned in much the same way, however, the tuner does not make the beats disappear like the pilot, because then that would lead to untempered tuning. (On a side, a piano that is tuned EXACTLY will work in whatever key it was tuned in. However, the second you go to play in another key, that's when all hell breaks loose. Tempering is just a fancy term for the process we use to make it so that all 12 keys on a piano are sound in tune when the same song is played in all of them.) Anyway, back to the tuning. I forget which intervals map to which ratios of beats, but depending on the interval, the tuner will listen for a prescribed ratio, and when the two strings beat to that ratio (for example, 7 beats in 5 seconds for a minor third *I think*) the two notes are considered "tuned," even though they are a little off. That gap of "little off" is absolutely necessary, however, for the piano to work for all 12 keys.

Just FYI... in case anyone decides to go into piano tuning...

can you get good money for piano tuning?

[MahlerGrooves]

i think i pay like 100 per time i get it tuned. And I have it done every month because i am anal

[thejoe]

wow i just tried that tuning thing and ive definetly noticed it before, i just thought my tuner just sucked or somthing

i also noticed that if i bend the g a little sharp it sounds much better.. i know that you flatten the d on your bass.. but this gives the same effect for these purposes

[MahlerGrooves]

wow i just tried that tuning thing and ive definetly noticed it before, i just thought my tuner just sucked or somthing

i also noticed that if i bend the g a little sharp it sounds much better.. i know that you flatten the d on your bass.. but this gives the same effect for these purposes

I seriously have a huge smile on my face now. I love physics. I also love when I can help someone understand something.

[thejoe]

wow i just tried that tuning thing and ive definetly noticed it before, i just thought my tuner just sucked or somthing

i also noticed that if i bend the g a little sharp it sounds much better.. i know that you flatten the d on your bass.. but this gives the same effect for these purposes

I seriously have a huge smile on my face now. I love physics. I also love when I can help someone understand something.

awesome, i just reread your big post last page and i pretty much understand it all now

i think im going to enjoy physics.. ive always been interested in this kind of stuff.. but im not sure exactly what im going to be doing in physics.. hopefully its this kind of stuff and math

and i wish my high school had more music classes.. all we have is band.. not even jazz band... hopefully i will take some of these kinds of classes in college

[Appfro]

awesome dude. this is the first time i've gotten to hear this. amazing. i would't know where to start if i wanted to critique it so i'm just goign to say awesome job.

[BenPezzner]

can you get good money for piano tuning?

Definitely. I'd gauge it on who is actually getting his/her piano tuned. If it's a school or a big orchestra, you can charge much more than you can if it's for a small family with little kids just starting their lessons.

[MahlerGrooves]

awesome dude. this is the first time i've gotten to hear this. amazing. i would't know where to start if i wanted to critique it so i'm just goign to say awesome job.

Thanks so much to everyone for the kudos. It is really nice to hear it sometimes, especially since I go days and weeks and months with no auditions, little work, and trying to live up to a standard of perfection that is never able to be reached.

I am posting a new recording when I get home, but I am at my girlfriend's house helping her get better after some nasty sickness and the recordings aren't here.

[gumbomadness]

just listened again--- wow!

[NoNotThat]

Chris is amazing.